American soldiers returning home from Vietnam often faced scorn as the war they had fought in became increasingly unpopular. None were looking for a parade but all were certainly looking for human support and help in readjusting back to civilian life after their brutal war. Why did it happen? Here’s one opinion and some possible answers.
It was after returning to the U.S. and while en route to the hospital that Wowwk first encountered hostility as a veteran.
Strapped to a gurney in a retrofitted bus, Wowwk and other wounded servicemen felt excitement at being back on American soil. But looking out the window and seeing civilians stop to watch the small convoy of hospital-bound vehicles, his excitement turned to confusion. “I remember feeling like, what could I do to acknowledge them, and I just gave the peace signal,” Wowwk says. “And instead of getting return peace fingers, I got the middle finger.”

The Vietnam War claimed the lives of more than 58,000 American service members and wounded more than 150,000. And for the men who served in Vietnam and survived unspeakable horrors, coming home offered its own kind of trauma. Some, like Wowwk, say they had invectives hurled their way; others, like naval officer Ford Cole, remember being spit on. As a cohort, Vietnam veterans were met with none of the fanfare and received none of the benefits bestowed upon World War II’s “greatest generation.”
No ‘Welcome Home’ parades for Vietnam vets.
This was partly due to the logistics of the never-ending conflict. The Vietnam War lasted from 1964-1973—the longest war in American history until it was overtaken by the one in Afghanistan—and servicemen typically did one-year tours of duty. Unlike conflicts with massive demobilizations, men came back from Vietnam by themselves rather than with their units or companies. For a decade, as one person was shipped off to fight, another was returning.
“The collective emotion of the country was divided,” says Jerry Lembke, a Vietnam veteran, sociologist and author of The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam. “For the family whose son is just coming back, you aren’t going to have a public welcoming home ceremony when someone’s son just down the road was just sent off to Vietnam.”
As the war ground on and became increasingly hopeless, the military personnel put through this kind of revolving door of service came to represent something many Americans would rather not accept: defeat. “Vietnam was a lost war, and it was the first major lost war abroad in American history,” Lembcke says. “You don’t have parades for soldiers coming home from a war they lost.”

GI benefits were lacking.
Celebrations aside, the government also failed to make good on its promises to those who served. Veterans returning from Vietnam were met with an institutional response marked by indifference. Peter Langenus, today the Commander of VFW Post 653 in New Canaan, Connecticut, commanded Delta Company, 3rd Battalion/7th Infantry, 199th Light Infantry Brigade from 1969-70. He led his men on operations that lasted 30 days or more in some of Vietnam’s most inhospitable conditions, “without shaving, bathing or changing clothing. None of that,” he says, “prepared me for the reception at home upon our return.”
Back in the States, Langenus quickly discovered the GI benefits available for Vietnam veterans “were almost nonexistent.” While living in New York, he developed symptoms of malaria—a tropical disease fairly uncommon in the concrete jungle—yet he was denied VA health care because he didn’t display those symptoms in Vietnam. He graduated from Notre Dame prior to being commissioned, and after his service returned to law school to cash in his educational benefits. “At a time when I was paying $300 a credit, my entire educational benefit was $126.” And when it came to finding a job, he was met with thinly veiled disgust and discrimination from law firms upon learning he was a Vietnam infantry veteran.

“The society really was ill-prepared to give these guys what they deserved,” says Christian Appy, professor of History at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and author of three books on Vietnam. “They were not necessarily looking for a parade, but they were certainly looking for basic human support and help in readjusting to civilian life after this really brutal war.”
Part of the reason was economic. While the economy after World War II was one of the most robust in American history, during and after Vietnam the nation was in a death spiral of stagflation and economic malaise. And as more and more wartime atrocities came to light, there was a national implication of guilt and shame placed on Vietnam veterans as participants in and avatars of a brutal, unsuccessful war. In popular culture, the stereotype of the broken, homeless Vietnam vet began to take hold thanks to films like The Deer Hunter(1978), Coming Home (1978) and First Blood (1982).

The Gulf War saw a shift in attitudes.
It would take nearly 20 years after the end of the war for America to get right with its Vietnam veterans. The dedication of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in 1982 began the process, but many identify the Gulf War of 1990-91—with its national flag-waving, yellow-ribbon cultural mobilization and the grand celebrations of a successful campaign—as ending Vietnam Syndrome. “The Vietnam veterans, we couldn’t believe it. We could not understand getting letters from school kids,” says Langenus, also a veteran of Desert Storm. “You couldn’t believe that people were cheering you.”
Since 9/11, patriotic gestures, like wearing flag pins and saying, “Thank you for your service,” have become common, as more troops are sent to Iraq and Afghanistan. But the specter of Vietnam still lingers, and some of that war’s veterans view such acts with a wary glance.
“Deeds need to be done in addition to words,” says Wowwk, who is 100 percent disabled from his Vietnam wounds. “I appreciate the respect of ‘thank you’ because that was something I never received when I came home. It’s better than nothing. It’s better than them walking away and not even recognizing you. But what are you doing in addition to saying ‘thank you’?”
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There are very accurate descriptions by Vietnam veterans in this piece. I was with the 1st Air Cavalry from June of 68 to June of 69. I made it back unharmed … but so many didn’t! I think Vietnam veterans can be proud of how we had to fight back to normalcy after the war with no help from our country.
I saw one movie (Gardens of Stone) that ended with tis evaluation by Vietnam veterans of the war. “There was nothing to win and no way to win it” I think that aptly describes this misadventure! Dale Kaisershot
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I thank it was not right how they were treated no one was there for them.my hubsand was there now what happen to him will go with him forever the Asia orange did a lot of damage to them.my hubsand is going blind because he came home this and he is 80% of eye sight.he is very depressed. It is. Hard for all soldiers. Thank you wife of veteran.
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The youth were -afraid of the draft so they protested, and the World War Two Veterans did not want to share their VFWs and they called their war a real war !.
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I stand with your article, excellent! I was there in 1968 and again from Oct 1970-June 1972
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There are those who are responsible for perpetuating the Vietnam Veteran stereotype in which they paint all of us who served with a very broad brush. Almost ALL of us Vietnam veterans came back with sound minds to an ungrateful country and quietly resumed our lives without incident or fanfare. The promised government jobs that were mandated into law for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized as the hiring managers were all non-veterans who got their own non-veteran buddies into those jobs. There are still many who are of the same ilk as traitor Hanoi Jane Fonda who gave aid and comfort to the enemy while our POWS were (and are) still in captivity. Very few returning Vietnam veterans had problems-the stereotype of mental illness and instability that they claim that Vietnam veterans possess that many misguided people claim is totally false.
There are those who have swallowed the false history-standard loss of Vietnam lies hook line and sinker. Americans and South Vietnamese prevailed in every battle-bar none. In fact, TET 1968 was a decisive victory for the South Vietnamese and American forces-the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces were decimated. Of course, the American mainstream media claimed it was a victory for the communists. North Vietnamese General Giap credited the American mainstream media with giving them new resolve.
As to the so-called “anti-war protesters”, they only wanted one thing–to save their own skins–nothing more. In fact, when the draft ended, so did the protests. Even present-day “uber-patriot” Ted Nugent got in on the act, defecating and urinating on himself and not washing for a month before appearing before the draft board–he was sent home. He stated that Vietnam “was not his war”…
The American Vietnam war was not a civil-war but was an INVASION by the communist North Vietnamese, who wanted control of the whole country. The INVASION was allowed to continue when American troops left and South Vietnamese troops were not resupplied.
Those who have watched the Ken Burns’ schlockumentary on Vietnam, in which he built up the North Vietnamese while exacting harsh criticism (lies) on the American and South Vietnamese troops were exposed to Burns’ lies and fabrications. Of course, to his credit, Burns let it slip that the re-education camps contrary to communist claims (actually prisons) would be in operation for approximately six months after the war was over, it turns out that many former South Vietnamese were detained for as long as twenty years.
Post-war Vietnam was so wonderful, tens of thousands of boat people risked life and limb to escape that communist paradise [silence].
Ask the Vietnamese who live in garden Grove and Westminster California what they think…
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The people fleeing Vietnam were capitalist Catholics. Of course, they wanted to flee. Of course they supported the American side.
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I am still mad at the people who treated me like a baby killer.
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I never felt so alone when I came home from Vietnam 1969. After being processed thru Travis
I went to San Francisco with a friend from Richmond California . His Mother wanted us to stay the evening, but I wanted to get home. So off I go, class A’s, duffel bag to the airport. No flights to Burbank until the be morning. I grabbed my stuff off to the bus station and this is when it struck be, nobody was going to help me along the way and then it happened. Standing on the corner waiting for the bus a car swerved towards me hit a puddle of water and sprayed me with dirty water all over me. They turned around and flipped me off. I realized that it was going to be the last time I was going to be recognized as U.S soldier in my Army uniform. Sad time!
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The news media stuck it to us!! I remember being harassed right out of my first job.
I took it off of my resume that I was a veteran. That was the only way I could stay employed in MN. I came home Oct 20, 1969 after I was in the Army Hospitals from Aug 24, 68 to Oct 20, 69!
Below is an email to a guy on our now gone vets group…very few of us are alive yet. . It will give you an idea of what a LOT of us vets went through after coming home. Some of the vets committed suicide due to this mistreatment!
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From: vietnam@y
On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:28 AM
To:-vietnam
Subject: RE: Question About WINTER SOLDIER Hearings…
Mac,
I wasn’t with John Kerry (thankfully) so I can’t testify as to what he did do or did not do. I can tell you that where I was and the unit I was with did not commit any atrocities that I know of. Our daily schedule went something like this… Arise at 4 or 5 AM…if you arose in peace you had a chance to grab some c-rats, it you arose by being attacked ….forget about those c-rats….go like hell all day long….hump them boonies for days on end and never see another human being (thankfully) or if you did see another they were usually shooting at you. Again if it were a relatively non-combat day….eat some c-rats on top of the tank while doing a search and destroy. React to another unit who needs help…etc etc. Set up a night defensive position at dusk….now…even though we were an armored unit….if we were in war zones c or d or any other “bad” area, we’d actually dig in what we called “fighting positions” and to the grunt it was known as the good old fox hole. If we were lucky enough to not have to dig in, you’d have maybe 5 or 10 minutes before dark to write a note home. I used to use the box top of the c-rat box as a post card as a lot of times I did not have the luxury of stationery as it was on my last tank or apc which got blown away. So now it is dark, so you get to go out on an ambush patrol or a listening post. If you didn’t do that and stayed with the perimeter, then you got to pull guard duty for one or two hours. Whatever time was left over you got to sleep. That been said….now let me ask your son…..when did I have time to commit all these rapes and killings? My 2nd question to him is “where” were all these women that I was supposedly raping? I really can’t recall seeing too many women out in the jungle. We were pounding the bush most of the time. Sometimes we’d run a road at night to keep it from being mined…….again….where were all these women? Where were all the children that we supposedly killed?
Did John Kerry’s activities after he got out effect me? Definitely! I was literally harassed out of my first drafting job as my boss would ask me every morning “how did it feel to kill all those innocent women and children?” Back in 1971/2 they did not have “hostile work environment” rules! After about 4-1/2 months of this crap and nobody would even have a cup of coffee with me…the boss came up to me with his usual speel.. I told him “it felt absolutely great and you are next on my list…let’s go out into the parking lot and I will fix things right now!” Well he walked away with a big red face. A week later we had a factory shut down for inventory and I went looking for a job. The following Monday when I was to return to work….I did NOT, I called and said I’m not coming back. Did this affect me and my wife and my 2 year old son? Absolutely….they liked to eat like anyone else. I was lucky I still had my part time job from when I was going to school to be a draftsmen immediately before I got this crummy job.
After this….I was very selective as to who I told I was a vietnam veteran or not. It wasn’t until 1989 (20 years after I got out) that I “crawled out of the closet” and admitted to being a veteran.
I was treated like shit for 35 years at the Minneapolis VA as well.
In my humble opinion, Kerry and others like him did a lot of damage to a lot of innocent folks who already had enough bull shit to deal with in their lives. If anyone asked me about my fused knee on my left leg (it does not bend…that is from an RPG hit on my 3rd and last tank) I told them I got it in a car accident. I lost my left eye with a bb gun incident when I was a kid (that was from the first RPG that hit the tank) So now I was a liar as well ! After you tell one lie….eventually you have to tell another lie to cover up the first lie. It sucks to be a liar!
I was very mistreated and discriminated against a good part of my lifetime but I never bitched about it like all these minorities do. All these minorities and fringe groups have all these special privileges. In Minneapolis, they have a gay rights parade.. Tell me….when is the last time they had a combat veterans parade? How about NEVER!
I have a friend who is a Minnesota state trooper as well as being a Vietnam vet. He told me to get rid of my purple heart license plates (this was 1990 or there abouts). I asked why. He said I am a target as police will figure I am a drunk that just came out of a legion or VFW club. I got rid of the plates and sure as hell, I quit getting pulled over. What a good deal this is….right? So there are still people out there that hate veterans!
You can tell your son for me….I have 3 purple hearts and all of them are from schrapnel wounds from RPGs. I never shot, killed, raped, or mistreated any women or child. I did shoot and kill whoever was shooting at me or who ever had just killed some of my best friends.
I have a “memoir” of sorts that I wrote a long time ago and I do not wish to make it public. If you want your son to see it, email me back channel and give me your email address and I will email it to you. I can tell you that it sucks because it deals with being in a hospital after getting shot up as well. It is not really a “fun read” nor was it a “fun life”.
Sincerely
Cav (the other Bob)
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From: -vietnam@
On Behalf Of Maxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 5:26 AM
To:vietnam@
Subject: Re: Question About WINTER SOLDIER Hearings…
Mxxxxxxxx,
Don’t know of a specific site but I know they are out there and some of the members will, I am sure. Have you suggested that your son talk one to one with a few people that were actually in Viet Nam? Face to face talking is a powerful way to learn.
Maxxxxxxxx
hermit wrote:
OUr son has decided that Kerry and the others at the Winter Soldiers
Hearing spoke nothing but the truth.
I stated that several of those who were there and testified turned out
not to have been in the Service; and those who were, many were
stationed elsewhere than Vietnam; and several who claimed a direct
knowledge/participation in alleged atrocities were stationed NOT where
they claimed.
I mentioned that Senator Mark Hatfield requested an investigation and
the result of that was, as above.
Unfortunately, our son is under the sway of “The Drunken Philosopher”
who preaches a wonderful game but does not practice what he asks
others to do… this character claims Vietnam was rediculous, that it
was criminal… etc., etc.
You get the picture.
would any of you have some site where I might obtain specific to this.
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Vets were treated badly because the liberals in schools were already teaching there hate for liberty and democracy . And look at the mess we live in now !
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First to say in 1969 that the war was unwinnable was part of the overall problem. The defeatist attitude many Americans had of the war was inexcusable. If we had had that same attitude in 1942 or 1943 even, we would have probably lost the second World War or at least had to settle for a lopsided peace agreement with Japan and Germany. Second I would never have flashed the peace sign to a group of anti-war demonstrators outside of a hospital. They were looking for that so they could do exactly what they did. Be proud of what we did as it was a noble cause and if you were proud of what you did then that should be enough. If not, no acknowledgement in the last few years will make a damn bit of difference.
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I tell every Vietnam veteran I meet welcome home even though I’m 13 and it is 40-60 years too late idc I’m a good person
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As a member of the Vietnam Veterans of America organization the articles help me to understand the roots of the V V A. Keep up the great articles.
I was onboard the USS Maddox during the Gulf of Tonkin incident August 1964 and went back to serve a year with the Mobile Riverine Force ( 67 – 68 ) TET survivor.
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Very Good
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in a large part due to the crappy lying liberal news media. They said we were Baby killers!! How Ironic that they are for late term abortions!!
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If you were so cruel why then did so many of the refugees want to come to the US.
I have seen so many pictures of the soldiers risk their lives to save children during a gun fight. There are pictures of the GI feeding, playing with, clothing , giving all types of help that the locals would not have gotten if not for the US soldiers.
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Served in the Navy on the USS McKean DD784; my ship provide gun fire support at Da Nang and the DMZ. A few months after returning to our home port of Long Beach, CA, some of my shipmates and I were walking the streets of Long Beach in our uniforms when we were heckled by some civilians calling us four letter word names. As for job hiring I was treated no differently than any other potential hire. Sometimes I thought it was indifference. I did not meet one employer who interviewed my for a job saying they served. I also felt that during my military service the very people who were to hire me were advancing their civilian careers so when I finally entered to job market they were in positions of management. I also think they resented me because I went to college under the GI Bill. There was no “thank you for your service”; as a matter of fact, some one for the first time acknowledged me for my service in the late 90’s over twenty-five years after in served there. The kind of treatment I got still hurts me today. I feel the civilian population did everything it can to forget the Vietnam War and its veterans after the war ended.
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There is a statement in the article that says the soldiers lost the war. The soldiers followed orders. Home front politics lost the war. Not the soldiers. The hostility toward the soldiers was mis-placed. It should have been directed at the politicians. We should have started ‘cleaning the swamp’ then.
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HOME
The family is very excited
happy to see me come home
they know I have changed,
their way remained unchanged.
Their eyes are worried wary,
their expressions oddly strained
here the uncertainty lingers,
behind their welcoming smiles.
Their war plays on TV nightly
they want life to be as it was
they want to see their other son
the familiar son who left home.
Those who already came home
had no chance to be successful;
the growing war protest attitude
have made jobs impossible to find.
Home coming joy fades quickly,
reclaiming my place not possible,
most people avoid the stain of contact;
many others remain openly hostile
Survival means staying invisible
all that has happened locked in,
no one from home willing to talk,
childhood friends now turn away.
The painful memories come by day,
but the pain is worse at night,
agony grows beyond endurance
and continues to grow relentlessly.
This hidden hurt happens in silence
the mind tortured ready to break;
home the new Hell replacing Vietnam,
home will never be home, never again.
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I spent two years in Vietnam with the State Dpt USAID. I lost two friends and that is when this young woman started asking questions about the war. Militarily we could have won that war in six months. But there was no way the Russians and Chinese wanted the US presence on the Asian mainland especially with a deep water port at Cam Ranh Bay. Ho Chi Minh wanted our help. He had helped crews of the Doolittle raid that landed in Vietnam. He asked Truman for help in getting the French out of his country. Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy sent advisors and then the crap hit the fan LBJ started to increase troops. Nixon knew to stay there would have meant more US deaths. The 1988 Pulitzer Prize, National Book Award, A Bright Shining Lie, by Neil Sheehan is a powerful book on Vietnam, I never could finish reading it, I couldn’t stop crying. Our government must be careful of he wars we get involved in. People complain about Trump’s taking out of Soleimani ..he killed 1500 of his own countrymen and women the month before with shots to the head of these protesters. I don’t yet know the fallout from his supporters but I do know we won’t go to war over it.
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Ho first ask FDR to help Vietnam gain its freedom from the French FDR said yes because he hated the French. However upon his death Truman who liked the French supported their continued colonization.
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An interesting essay. I don’t agree with everything the author wrote, but it is interesting. As for the “greatest generation”, they’re the one that started that stupid war in the first place – nothing great about that. And the VFW, when I came home from my second tour in ’72 the ruling class at the VFW was from the “greatest generation”. I tried to get a beer at the VFW and was turned away. Haven’t been back since. So much for their greatness.
Our country is bogged down again in what appears to be a never ending conflict. It was our generation that has let this happen, so we aren’t so great either, are we? Maybe we need to do the same as we did in Vietnam – declare victory then tuck our tails between our legs and come home. But this time, let’s make sure we treat our veterans better than we were treated.
Welcome home.
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The protesters were afraid to go so they thought this would put the government occupied. I hope all the men there were drafted
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I thought this article was very informative. But, every time I hear, or read, the term “The Greatest Generation”, I wonder why the WWII vets let the our country treat us this way. I know, individually, many were supportive of us, but certainly not the whole.
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Most of our fathers fought in WWII. I doubt they expected the demonstrations. I know my dad was furious. He thought it showed lack of support for the soldiers and that was not acceptable.
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Amen to your comment !!! Guess who was leading our country when we were serving in or during Vietnam. Those “perfect” leaders who were of the WWII generation.!!!
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It is true that we weren’t welcomed home with open arms and parades, but that was over 50 years ago. Many, if not most, of us developed careers, moved on with our lives and have perhaps retired with 50 years of good memories outside of the war behind us.. Perhaps it is time (or way past time) to put this negative event behind us and to stop complaining about it. It happened, it wasn’t nice, but it is way over.
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Actually, I think the Vietnam war should be taught and studied. I was a child in the sixties, and it is fascinating to me to learn of the history of the conflict, the mis-readings of the enemy on both sides, and the incredible lies that were promulgated by the American government, not to forget the reality of Vietnam warfare in the different zones. My friends don’t talk. I have to guess about their experiences based on the locations, and years they served. I think it’s sad that Vietnam Veterans have not got the respect and attention they truly deserved, and that should be rectified in a manner Vets want.
I think America’s “leaders” would love for Vietnam to be forgot. Instead, the content of the released classified documents should have been spread far and wide, the lies and cover-ups fully exposed for all to consider. The fight, and the behind-the-scenes manipulations and deceptions are an important part of history. The positive effects of the US occupation could also be better expressed.
I never served in Vietnam, so according to some readers, I have no “right” to post here. Feel free to ignore or criticize, but all Americans have the right to their feelings about Vietnam (and the questionable use of their tax dollars).
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Thought provoking article, with many astute comments. We all had our own experiences in the war, depending on where, when and what we did during the conflict.
Neal Thompson’s points are valid, however in my opinion the elephant in the room is the Vietnamese themselves. The South Vietnamese government and military were rife with corruption and inefficiency during the war, the military sometimes stayed in the barn, or even switched sides during a fight. Moreover, the South Vietnamese civilians….along with many in the government and military, weren’t all thrilled with us being there, for whatever reason. I traveled the roads in the Central Highlands quite extensively, and the looks we received from the citizenry were not looks of love.
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Joe, I disagree with your comments about the South Vietnamese. The fact is that this country’s leaders deliberately placed South Vietnam into a strategic paradigm that no government allied to the US during the Cold War could have survived. It was far more our government’s failure that South Vietnam’s, as I explain in my
presentation at the First Division Museum, Link attached.
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Great article
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Guess it’s time to DENY being a combat disabled Vietnam Vet again depending on where you live.
I don’t see many changes other then the hollow “thank you for serving” bu11chit.
It could just as well be “Ph*ck you for serving” in my eyes!
The VA has not changed nor will it ever.
Best thing you can do for yourself is to MOVE out of your liberal H.S. state and move to a “veteran friendly” state.
I moved out of MN to AZ… BEST thing I ever did.
I don’t even want to be buried in that bastion of liberalism up there.
I was treated like chit, and denied veterans OBLIGATIONS (not entitlements !) even though the Army RETIRED me out for my injuries.
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My original song below– “Soldiers Of Vietnam -Welcome Home” — addresses many of the issues herein contained.
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Thanks, I’d like to share this if I may.
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Use the social media sharing buttons at the end of the article.
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Curtis, did you serve? If so, where and when? If not why not? If you did not serve you have no right to voice an opinion! If you did serve I render my apology.
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Serving or not should not be a criteria for most rights. Remember it was the criteria for the public’s reaction to us coming home, because we served. Making it a criteria is only an equal and opposite reaction to what was proposed in the article. Are there any differences between volunteers and draftees?
I tried to join in 1962 after a year of college and was rejected by both the Airforce and Navy, flat feet and a
(probably born with) rupture. My friends went in, I was not happy about it, so I got a real job in the space industry. Then late in 1966 I got a “Greetings from Uncle Sam”, ordering me to come down for a physical. I told my boss I’d be back to work on Monday, but was ordered to “go out the back door and get on the bus”. I spent one year enlisted and training, signed up for an got OCS, and spent another year at Fort Sill and one more year in Vietnam. Almost signed up for career, but for one Major, the only jerk I ever met in the military, I turned down my promotion and went home.
The only ones that I can’t respect their rights are those that went to Canada, or the John Kerry’s and Jane Fonda’s of this world. I haven’t even figured out who Curtis is speaking of, is it Nixon? Nixon, actually got us out of Vietnam, and it was our Congress that fought him and enabled the enemy to prolong it all those years. His paranoia is what got him in trouble, otherwise he too could have been a hero.
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We didn’t lose the war. Our leaders, Congress, and the antiwar public lost the war. We weren’t allowed to win. Our soldiers returning from the middle East are being warmly welcomed home. Those are our kids and we see that they are honored and welcomed home.
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Great articles for comments. Amazing how the public was sucked in by the likes of Kerry and the other ilk of this country. Kerry was a disgrace to be at the commissioning of the JFK a few weeks ago. I bet JFK was rolling in his grave!!
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The most disrespectful thing Americans have done to Vietnam Veterans is elect a vulgar coward man as president who ran from serving when our country called. Very disrespectful to the 58,272 who’s names are on The Wall. Extremely disrespectful.
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The one you speak of is not President yet, and because he is a Socialist should never be President. He used a religion he has never practice for a deferment to keep his sorry butt out of military service. By the way President Trump used a legitimate medical deferment. When and where did you serve? Never I suspect
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I agree Joe!
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Trump is a piece of human garbage – how dare you defend him. What is wrong with you people. Open your eyes. He is an absolute total loser. The idea that you identify with him is obscene. Have you learned nothing.
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Why do you and your ilk drag Donald Trump into everything? What is wrong with you?
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If Trump evaded the draft then so did Klintong and thousands of other privileged college jerks. But one president never even registered for the draft and that is Obama who allowed good men to die in Benghazi. Trump has done wonders to re-establish the pride of the American military and our nation. He has never bowed before Saudi Oil kings and other dictators.
Trump is serving as a great CINC where others disgraced the nation and the military and sought to have the wounded pay for their own medical care, …Quote..it’s an all volunteer Army, they knew what they were getting in to.”
Your recollection of the many insults against this nation by the left wingers is disrespectful to those millions still serving and have served. I do honor the 58,000 plus of Viet Nam and today’s victims. I have done burial duty and some were my friends to. See the book, “They Died on the Fourth of July”, CPL David Ward of Las Vegas, NV. and 166 others on that date.
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You are 99% correct; you
forgot Obama’s incredible
wonder why the soldier did
not carry or pay for medical
insurance.
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Why is everything about Trump? Stop already.
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Biden received 5 draft deferments for ‘childhood asthma’ despite doing quite well as a HS football player. I judge a person who does the right thing when no one’s looking – something our VA system has finally done with Trump in office. 91% satisfaction rating with no vet waiting to die for government health care attention. I served 1970-1996 and still work today as a civilian Army troop training coordinator in South Korea.
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Good article. I was not looking for a parade, but I did not like the welcome home I received. From the negative comments to the vile treatment of not only me but others. On the plane home in CONUS stews would not serve us, other passengers would not or requested not to sit near us. Now those same people my age thanks us for our service and often make excuses why they did not or could not serve. I would rather they keep their thanks and not try to provide me their excuses. They call us “heroes” we are not heroes we just did our job, followed the law, and want to forget the way it was for most of us. I often think they are ashamed of their actions.
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“Thank you” because you could have gone to Canada. Instead you did what you could to help those in need. I watch the news and knew we were not being told the truth. It has taken decades for the truth to be known. So yes, I appreciate all of you for your service. I remember the 58,000+.
I remember the 2,.500 alive POWs were left behind because of the dirty politics by the DC swamp hacks.
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Well said. I agree with you 100%.
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Great Lots of info.
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I read this essay and those linked to it, and I must say that I am amazed at the dishonesty that pervades any discussion of society’s repudiation of the men who fought in Vietnam. Whatever we do, we must assiduously avoid any discussion of deliberate conduct by the antiwar left, particularly people like John Kerry and his VVAW comrades, and I think that it is time to raise some points that have been too long ignored, elephants in the room as they are called.
The antiwar Left had done so much to alienate ordinary Americans by 1969 that many historians, like Adam Garfinkle, author of Telltale Hearts, have concluded that the antiwar movement actually helped prolong the war through the image it conveyed. Vietnam Veterans against the War, complete with uniforms, wounds, and medals to discard, helped blur if not eliminate for many the clear lines between those who served and sacrificed and antisocial radicals for whom the war represented more opportunity than tragedy. VVAW served to provide both the antiwar movement and the war crimes industry it promoted with respectability, but on closer examination, it becomes apparent that VVAW’s leadership was anything but honorable, and its only real accomplishment was legitimizing and embedding deep within this society an image of veterans as morons and misfits, psychopaths and sadists, drug addicts, drunks, cowards, fools and criminal degenerates.
Among VVAW leadership, Marx, Mao, and revolution were very popular, a fact that even those sympathetic to VVAW accept. The Maoist Revolutionary Union, a “far left radical group, formed in California from both the Communist Party USA and SDS [Students for a Democratic Society],” had many of its members in “important leadership positions in VVAW.” [Gerald Nicosia, Home to War, 227] And dishonesty within VVAW’s ranks was endemic.
Marxist radical Al Hubbard was one of VVAW’s national leaders who appeared with John Kerry on Meet the Press in the spring of 1971 to denounce the war. He claimed to be an ex-captain who had been wounded and decorated while serving in Vietnam. According to the Air Force, however, “there is no record of any service in Vietnam [emphasis in the original], but since he was an aircrew member he could have been in Vietnam during brief periods during cargo loading, unloading operations, or for crew rest purposes. His highest grade held was staff sergeant E-5.” [Burkett and Whitley, Stolen Valor, 136–137] Hubbard was a complete fraud. Michael Harbert, another of VVAW’s national leaders, was also a phony. He claimed that he had been a sergeant who had flown forty-seven combat missions over Vietnam. Harbert’s official records, however, show no Vietnam service. He was stationed at McClellan Air Force Base in California. A stay in Taiwan is as close as he ever got to the war zone. [Stolen Valor, 137] Another of VVAW’s national leaders, Joe Urgo, was a self-proclaimed “revolutionary Communist” who traveled to Hanoi on behalf of VVAW and there declared his allegiance to the Communist cause. “I will work with them on any level they want.” If you had served in Vietnam, he said in 1994, “You were nothing more than a murderer, a rapist, a baby killer.” [Richard Stacewicz, ed., Winter Soldiers, An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans against the War, 430]
As for John Kerry, he showed up in Vietnam as a stop on the campaign trail (his grand political ambitions were apparent at the time to all who knew him) and stayed just long enough (3 months in a line unit) to make the record he thought would help him run for office. After his failed first run for Congress (in which he displayed none of the radicalism for which he would become famous), he went rogue, joined VVAW and threw the rest of us under the bus in order to appeal to a liberal electorate at the end of the war. He appeared before the Senate and maintained that Vietnam veterans were war criminals who raped, tortured murdered our way through Southeast Asia “on a day-to-day basis,” as a matter of official policy and “with the full awareness of the officers at every level of command.” He stated that he was “ashamed” of his service. On Meet the Press, Kerry accused this country of “genocide” and declared that “thousands” of his fellow veterans, whom he described as “monsters,” committed war crimes that, according to Kerry, were “ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down.” To ensure that he indicted as many of us as possible, Kerry stressed that “[t]hese were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.” As for the officer corps, Kerry was clear: “I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.” He doubled down on this in 2001 on Meet the Press, saying that he stood by “everything he said went on over there.”
In his recently published autobiography, Kerry again states that his 1971 claims represented the truth even as he criticizes the American people for the shabby treatment of the veterans, noting “the confusion that some Americans showed in blaming the warriors for the war itself, [which] was tragically misplaced. Our veterans did not receive the welcome home. Our veterans did not receive either the welcome home nor the benefits nor the treatment that they not only deserved, but needed, and the fundamental contract between soldier and government simply was not honored.”
Why, one wonders, would anyone want to extend a grand welcome home and respectful treatment to a generation of degenerates who, in Kerry’s repeatedly stated claims, “personally raped,” tortured and murdered their way through a “criminal,” “genocidal” campaign, “on a day-to-day basis,” as a matter of official policy and “with the full awareness of the officers at every level of command.” And of course, nobody is willing to note that it was Kerry himself who failed to honor that “fundamental contact” when he launched his vicious, partisan attacks on the veterans themselves and that he continues to breach that contract every time he repeats his claim that he told the truth in 1971.
In summary, while no one denies the shabby treatment afforded the men who fought in Vietnam, we remain unwilling even to discuss, much less impose responsibility upon, those who are clearly and deliberately at fault, and it is time we acknowledged their ugly contribution to this chapter in American history.
Neal F. Thompson
F/8th, 1972-1973
Author of Reckoning: Vietnam and America’s Cold War Experience, 1945-1991.
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Neal, as a Vietnam Vet I fully agree with your comments and the facts you presented. I may even copy them for my children to see how I view the truth of our experiences. We never lost that war, our politicians gave it away to the enemy. My favorite book/video: An American Amnesia – How the US Congress Forced the Surrenders of South Vietnam and Cambodia – by Bruce Herschensohn
The historical event I see is that these treasonous acts committed by our representatives in Congress ending the war, is repeating itself in too many of our people and our government today, both in politics and today’s wars.
Neal K. Schwartz
“B” Btry XO & CO
1st Bn 83rd Arty
I-Corps Vietnam ’68-69.
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Thank you, sir, for your commentary!
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If the US was so bad then why did so many of the refugees want to come to the US. These people have worked to assimilate into this country.
There are hundreds of pictures of the military feeding an old man, a soldier with a toddler under each arm running for safety while others were firing cover for them.
I wish someone would gather all of the pictures and show them for what they are.
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Well said
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Great article and right on, that’s why thank you for your service, don’t mean much to me. Only those who have been there and a few I’ve met mean anything for me.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:38 PM CherriesWriter – Vietnam War website wrote:
> pdoggbiker posted: ” By Dante A. Ciampaglia Twenty-one-year-old Steven A. > Wowwk arrived as an infantryman in the Army’s First Cavalry Division in Cam > Ranh Bay, Vietnam in early January 1969 to fight in an escalating and > increasingly unwinnable war. By June, Wowwk had been ” >
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I always tell welcome brother. This let’s me know I did make it home.
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Interesting article but ,I don’t feel we lost.It was given away at the peace accords and we packed it in and abandoned the people we said we would support. That’s my take on it.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 1:38 PM CherriesWriter – Vietnam War website wrote:
> pdoggbiker posted: ” By Dante A. Ciampaglia Twenty-one-year-old Steven A. > Wowwk arrived as an infantryman in the Army’s First Cavalry Division in Cam > Ranh Bay, Vietnam in early January 1969 to fight in an escalating and > increasingly unwinnable war. By June, Wowwk had been ” >
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You mean that you do not know that not every returning Vietnam War Vet was poorly treated?
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The country has quietly forgotten about the 2,500 alive POWs left behind. Nixon was more concerned about being reelected than admitting Kissinger had negotiated a deal to pay about $34 billion in restitution.
Watergate become more important than bringing home all of our men.
Ford tried but with both house democrat they were not going to let a republican president be a hero.
MORONS the entire government would have been heroes.
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