My guest is a former Army 1st Cav. platoon leader who is writing a book about his Vietnam experiences in 1968. Today, he shares one of his completed chapters which showed his dealings with a new gung-ho Shake ‘n Bake NCO who wanted to be in charge. It’s well worth the time to read.
The officer’s responsibility with a KIA was to inventory the man’s equipment, search the pockets, enter coordinates where killed, fill out and sign the death tag; place one dog tag around the neck and the other tied to a bootlace; then wrap securely in a poncho.
The bullet diameter of an AK47 round is 7.62 mm with a shell casing of 39 mm. The Kalashnikov 47 was the typical weapon carried by the VC and NVA regular troops when I served in Vietnam in 1968-69. The round packs a tremendous punch and, when fired, leaves the chamber of the weapon with extreme velocity. When one of these rounds strikes a body, it leaves a very small hole going in, but because of the velocity, it will often pass through and leave a very large hole going out. The bullet is moving so fast that it can often pass through the first body and injure anyone standing behind. And, if the bullet should hit bone within the body, the bullet is designed to mushroom and tumble causing intense trauma.
About halfway through my field tour, my platoon received a replacement by the name of Sergeant Ron Roberts. He was an FNG (Fucking New Guy) and had been in-country for less than a month. He joined us one morning flying in on the supply chopper bringing in water, C-Rats, and ammo. He was sweating profusely, wearing both a jungle fatigue blouse and a T-shirt. His skin was ashen. When he reported to me, he saluted, introducing himself as Sergeant Roberts. I returned the salute and told him to sit down and cool off. The man was extremely nervous about his first day in the field. I instructed him to make the salute he just gave me to be the last he ever made in the field. There was to be no saluting of officers and, in the future, I was to be addressed as One-Six and not Lieutenant or Sir. (“One” was for the First Platoon and “six” for the Platoon Leader.) The man was carrying a ton of equipment and clearly no one had shown him what essentials were needed when humping the boonies. This was quickly remedied. I assigned Roberts to work with my most experienced Squad Leader and told “One-Three” to get him squared away. There was no way that he should be dressed the way he was and carrying as much equipment.
It was our company and battalion policy to have all FNGs walk within the platoon for many weeks before being assigned to a leadership position. Roberts was a Sergeant E-5, a Squad Leader, whereas my other Squad Leaders were SP4s and Roberts had seniority over them. However, I was not about to assign an FNG sergeant to a squad leader position until he was thoroughly vetted, acclimatized and mentally prepared to assume responsibility for a squad. I explained this to Roberts, but it didn’t sit well. He wanted to know when he would be assigned as a Squad Leader, which was his right as a Sergeant E-5. I told him to “walk along, observe our procedures and get to know the men in the squad and platoon,” and I would assign him as a squad leader when the time was right. He kept pressing me to know when this would happen, and I told him “I will make you a Squad Leader when I see that you are comfortable and competent enough to lead a squad.”
My own introduction to my platoon followed a similar path. My Company Commander, a Captain, recognized that I was very new and needed some adjustment time to feel more comfortable and prepared to lead a platoon. Furthermore, the Platoon Sergeant in the First Platoon, the one I was to be assigned to, was an “Instant NCO” (Non-Commissioned Officer) and inexperienced. (Instant NCOs were also called “Shake and Bakes.” The need for NCOs was so great in Vietnam, that the army started an Instant NCO Program. Select Squad Leaders, E-5’s, underwent a 90-day training program back in the World and were promoted to E6 upon successfully passing the course. Typically, an E6 in a regular army unit would have at least 5-6 years of experience to earn that rank). My CO wanted to make sure that I was fully prepared to lead my platoon before allowing me to take over. Consequently, I was assigned as the Mortar Platoon Leader for about three weeks so that he could observe and allow me to develop the confidence that I could lead a platoon in combat. I appreciated this adjustment period and when I was assigned to the First Platoon after about a month, I felt comfortable and prepared to lead my men and to implement the tactics we would follow, depending on the terrain and conditions. I explained this to Roberts and he acknowledged that a few weeks spent “learning the ropes” would be good for him as well, but that he wanted to be assigned as a Squad Leader just as soon as possible.
For the first couple of days, I checked in regularly with “One-Three” to see how Roberts was getting along. My Squad Leader said that Roberts was asking lots of questions and challenging the tactics and techniques we were using. He had also questioned a lot of decisions that the Squad Leader had made. Roberts had refused to give up the extra and unnecessary equipment he brought to the field, and consequently was carrying a very heavy pack. I asked if I needed to speak with Roberts again, but “One-Three” told me, “No, give him some more time to make the adjustment.”
The assault went smoothly and without incident. Our LZ was green and my platoon set up a perimeter to protect the next round of the helicopters as they carried the rest of the company into the landing zone, four helicopters at a time. Once the entire company was on the ground, my platoon fanned out to secure our assigned sector of the LZ. We spent the rest of the morning searching our sector for enemy troops but found nothing. (Note that when a combat assault is performed, the landing zone and surrounding area is peppered with artillery fire and then, once lifted, the Aerial Rocket Artillery, Cobra helicopter gunships, come in to spray the area with rockets, grenades and minigun fire. Therefore, it is unusual for an enemy force to be able to survive such an assault and if there is an enemy force present they are typically killed or learn to rapidly evacuate the area as the bombardment begins.)
About an hour into the patrol, we heard a series of rifle shots, followed by machine-gun fire and a grenade explosion. Everyone scrambled into foxholes and grabbed their weapons. I told the second squad to saddle up and be prepared to move out with me in support but to hold until I received orders to do so. The firefight lasted for about 5 minutes during which time the CO was on the radio to One-One trying to get a sitrep (situation report). One-One told the CO that they had encountered what was thought to be a single enemy sniper and that they had suffered a KIA. The Squad Leader reported that the enemy had retreated and given a direction of suspected movement. Our FO (Forward Observer) dropped some artillery into the area beyond where the contact had occurred, but the squad leader could not see the rounds land in the dense jungle and it was impossible (and dangerous) to try to adjust the fire by the sounds of where the artillery landed. The CO ordered the squad to return and bring the KIA back to the CP. The KIA was Roberts.
About an hour later, my squad returned, and four men were carrying Roberts, one man holding each arm and leg plus his weapon and equipment. A cloth had been placed over Roberts’ face. There was a small hole in his forehead about the size of a dime, but most of the back of his skull and brains had been blown out the back. The man was placed on the ground near where my platoon CP was located.
My Squad Leader came over, sat down, drank some water and smoked a cigarette. His hands were shaking as he told me the story. As the squad had moved cautiously through the dense jungle, the point man alerted to a noise. The squad moved up even with the point to support him. They laid down a base of fire in the direction of where the point man had heard the noise and had received return fire from what was thought to be a single enemy soldier. The Squad Leader directed four of his men to move to the right flank to come in on the side of where the suspected enemy was holed up. The men were in the dense, hilly jungle, so it was impossible to see more than about 20-30 meters in any direction. The four men moved out while the rest of the squad continued to lay down a base of fire. Roberts was among the four men moving to the flank.
As the four riflemen began to approach the suspected enemy position, Roberts suddenly stood up and ran forward of the men coming in on the flank and threw a grenade at the suspected enemy position. After the explosion, a single shot rang out and Roberts fell dead, shot in the head. The men crawled forward, pulled Roberts back from where he had fallen, and the squad regrouped. Eventually, the squad moved forward and cleared the area where the enemy sniper had been holed up. There was no sign of the enemy and no blood trails to follow.
So, I proceeded to do that. I had one of my men prepare an inventory of his equipment (he still was carrying far too much stuff). I went through his pockets to see if there was anything that might be incriminating, and I put all of Roberts’ personal items in a plastic bag and placed the bag on his chest. I filled out the card (death certificate) and conferred with my Squad Leader, looking at my map, to determine as closely as possible the exact coordinates where Roberts had been killed. It struck me that for the first time in history, the Army was attempting to record the exact location for every soldier killed. I filled in the rest of the information and tied the card to Robert’s boot. I took one dog tag from around his neck and tied it to his bootlace. Then I had three men lift Roberts and we slipped a poncho underneath and I wrapped it around him.
I realized that when the helicopter came in to pick up the body, that the poncho would be blown about from the downdraft – always a dangerous thing. I took some cord from my pack and tied the poncho around his feet, waist and above his head, creating a cocoon. His boots protruded from the bottom of the poncho so that the toe tag and dog tag were visible. Then we all stood around his body and said a silent prayer for Roberts.
Roberts had only been with us for a couple of weeks and no one had gotten to know him. He had been so gung-ho and aggressive and wanted to assume a leadership position and get his first kill. It was understandable to me and my men how his death had happened. In his enthusiasm, Roberts had charged the enemy and had completely exposed himself to the enemy sniper’s fire. While possibly a somewhat heroic act, it was not an intelligent tactic to have followed and it cost Roberts his life. The supply chopper came in a few hours later to unload C-Rats, ammo, water and supplies and we loaded Roberts on the departing bird along with his equipment.
We finished digging our foxholes, put out Claymores and trip flares and set the first watch. The rest of us pulled on our shirts, buttoned our collars and sleeves against mosquitoes and lathered up with insect repellant. I sent the second squad out on ambush detail that night with my Platoon Sergeant because the third squad had led the morning’s combat assault and the first squad had taken the afternoon patrol.
As I went to sleep that night I thought of what I had done to prepare Roberts’ body for his long trip back home and how I had tried to be as exact as possible to record the location where his death had occurred. I thought about tying up the poncho with the cord that I carried in my pack, our brief silent ceremony before we loaded him into the supply helicopter. I thought about my conversations with Roberts and how I had tried to get him acclimated and ready to assume a leadership position. I was 22-years-old, and it was truly the worst day of my life.
Roberts was my first KIA, but he was not to be my last. I had to wrap several more men into ponchos in the months that ensued and followed the same routine each time. The activity got to be a little bit easier each time. It was the officer’s responsibility to prepare the body to be returned to the rear and each time I tried to do it with efficiency and respect. My men did not want to be involved nor did they want to touch the body. Perhaps it was simple superstition as I’m sure they were afraid that this might happen to them – the next time.
I did not allow myself to become emotionally involved in the process. I simply removed my mind and emotions from what I was doing and did what needed to be done as quickly, efficiently and respectfully as possible. The days when I handled KIAs were my worst days in Vietnam and Roberts, being the first, was certainly the worst of all. After the chopper had removed Roberts’ body, I asked one of my men to take a photograph of me so that I would always remember how I felt on that day.
Postscript
After the Vietnam War was over, a group of volunteers started the “Gold Star Mothers Program.” This program, designed to help bring closure to a family’s grief, takes a group of mothers, sisters and daughters to Vietnam accompanied by volunteers from the same unit as the deceased soldier. All expenses are paid by the organization and the group conducts a memorial service for each fallen soldier as close as possible to where the soldier fell. This is one reason why recording the coordinates where the death occurred became so important. By the time all members of the party have memorialized each soldier’s death, they became very close. Before returning to the US, the group conducts a final ceremony, usually at Cam Ranh Bay and a wreath celebrating all the soldiers’ lives is floated into the ocean. Local Vietnamese have become aware of these ceremonies and come to observe them respectfully.
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Énormément touchant.
Toutes une génération de jeunes hommes près à servir leur pays.
Quand on voit des jeunes de leurs âges qui vivent dans certains pays de la planète, ce plaindre parce que il n’ont pas de console vidéo ou autres choses inutiles. La richesse des””hommes” ” sur cette terre est tout simplement la VIE. ❤️.
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Merci Mille fois! Le libre est publi en Fevreier 2023.
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Reading this article triggers memories of my worst day in Nam. Like Bartlett, I was an infantry platoon leader with the Americal Div, 1/52, 198th LIB. On June 6, 1968, my Company (all 67 of us that managed to survive that long), was sent into an area called Dragon Valley. We had been briefed that a NVA Regiment had recently moved into the area. Our initial contact was about ten in the morning when we began receiving machine gun and small arms fire and hand grenades being thrown from the high ground above us. The fight lasted about five hours and if it were not for two F4 Phantoms followed by Huey gun ships I doubt any of us would have survived. By the time we managed to fight our way out of the area, we suffered twenty-nine casualties…six killed and twenty-three wounded…including me. For me the fighting ended that day, but the memory will last forever.
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This First Lieutenant was a exceptional during the time that he had to put aside his emotions to prepare his fallen solider to be prepared him for sending him back to the states. The other comrades who extracted their fallen comrade to a safe zone where also feeling the loss of a friend and a comrade. To loose a new fng who was new to the squad was difficult for them. But it cost the live of a comrade who disregarded orders from the squad leader. RIP.
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Great story, just wanted to mention the weight of the M14, I don’t know if it was a typo, however, the M14 only weighs 9.2 lbs and loaded 10.7 lbs. not 14 lbs as you noted at the beginning of your narrative.
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Sounds like you know your weapons. I carried M-14 through mud, water and dirt and it never failed to fire. Plus the much heavier round would penetrate the thick jungle growth, especially bamboo, while the 16 wouldn’t shoot long without jamming nor hit a twig without ricocheting, if it fired at all. Not firing had nothing to do with a soldier not knowing how to clean his weapon as the clueless Westmoreland said. M-14 sounded much like the M-60 when it fired because it had the same round so that took the heat off the machine gunner. Never used tracers because they drew a line back to my position. Tracers also ignited 3 or 4 inches from end of M 16 barrel leaving a welded phosphorus coating which could not be removed, eventually building up enough deposit to strip jacket off bullet as it left the barrel. All this I have witnessed with my own eyes. Shall I go on? I’m still angry at our generals for the M16 debacle.
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Cannot find any record of Ron Roberts being a KIA in the Army during 1968 nor with the last name “Roberts” period. Please send me his location address on The Wall.
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Did not use real names for obvious reasons but the story is true
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Thanks for letting me know that.
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Hey, Robin,
Just read this chapter…I was quite moved and understood completely what you were talking about…1st CAV March 69-March 70. My sister just published a book on my experiences
available on Amazon: “ A Wartime PhD: One Soldier’s Story of Vietnam and Learning to Live Again.” Check it out!
Sgt. Bob Kelliher
Alpha A Company 1/5
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Bob,
I will order a copy. I’m seeking a publisher for my book now.
We’re you in A Company, 1/5 Cav, ‘69-70? There is a group called the Foggy Day Group. I assume you are a member.
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I self published my memoir, “Point: Wilderness War in Vietnam and Cambodia”, through Amazon Kindle about a year ago. It’s worked out well for me though I guess some people haven’t had the same positive experience I have. Anyway, don’t discount the Amazon Kindle option until you look into it.
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Sad commentary of combat reality back then. I think writing about your experiences helps us all to understand our own experiences. Sarge 12B40 sapper 70-72. Many of us survived but came home with RVN as part of our soul
G-d Bless
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Agree. Hardly a day goes by that I don’t think about my year in hell. Welcome home, brother.
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Thank you. I got over there in late May ’69 and was in a radio research unit for two years, translating messages most of the time. I appreciate the detail about the dog tags. Before I went, I was talking with a high school buddy of mine and his D-Day father. They told me the notch in the dog tag was so it could be put between the KIA’s teeth. That seemed odd to me but my friend’s dad had been in WWII and I figured he must know something. My friend somehow failed his Draft physical each time he took it. I learned many years later that the notch was there to keep the tag in place while it was being stamped. We had a second lieutenant at a detachment in Pleiku that got an AK-47 from somewhere. When we had to take positions during an alert, he was actually carrying that rifle. I had heard that the AK-47 sounded different from our rifles and it wasn’t a good idea to sound like the enemy but what are you going to do? We were relieved that we didn’t have to fire our weapons.
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LT enjoyed reading. I was with A 1/5 1st platoon from October 6, 68 – October 69
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Ron, I was one of those shake & bake instant NCO’s and can assure you we were not all like Roberts. I was there from June 69 to April 70. Foggy Day A 1/5 1st platoon. Took an early out to go to school. Unfortunately or fortunately I do not remember squat from my time there. Amazingly a lot of the guys remember me. But I guess being a Japanese American Sgt. would be difficult to forget 🙂 Welcome home to you and all the other brothers and sisters!
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This has the ring of unvarnished truth to it, more than almost anything else I’ve read here. I was a Shake ‘n Bake in the 1st Cav two years later and not much had changed. Thank you for your service and thank you for writing this LT.
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Lots of negative comments about the term. Glad you used it and were one. I meant no disrespect. It was a commonly used term – that’s all.
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You’re absolutely correct that it was a term commonly used in Nam at the time. I took no offense at it then, and none now. Everything depends upon the individuals involved.
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Lt. Bartlett seems like he had his shit together,I was in country from late 69 till early 71,173rd Airborne Brigade ,a lot of young officer’s didn’t impress me,but it sounds like he was on the ball,and tried to take care of his troops.Thank you for the story,looking forward to reading his book.
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Absolutely brilliant,but totally terrifying/disturbing,and I have heard similar stories from friends fathers (Aussie Diggers) that sent chills up my spine..A year in that hell hole,would seem like an eternity…Much Much Respect.
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Thank you. Unfortunately, these are memories that never fade even after 50+ years.
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I think there will be a young gung ho officer and enlisted alike who want to be John Wayne. All it does is to get a person WIA/KIA. Had a little talk one day in front of my top. Top could not believe I would talk to LT like that. Had his permission to put rank aside. After that, we became friends. This was stateside. Then met him in NAM. Invited me to come to his area so we could visit. Straight talk sometimes goes a long way.
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I fully understand, after reading this, why it was and continues to be, the worst day of your life. Heartbreaking. For you. And all your men. And they were, indeed, yours. My heart goes out to you, Roberts’s family, and all your brothers who were with him from the moment he touched down.
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Very well written. It is shameful to think they train young men to stand up in combat and think a bullet isn’t going to kill them? Roberts could be alive today…. if he would have just laid down. What a waste of a young man’s life. So sad
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I was one of those shake &bake instant NCO’s and can assure you we were not all like Roberts. My goal was to keep my troopers alive and bring them home. I was 22 years old and turned down OCS but was sent to Ft Bennington for NCOC and then Vietnam. Served all twelve months in the field with D 2/7 1st Cav from 12-68 to 12-69. Only the top two or three from each graduation class was promoted to E-6 with the majority being E-5’s, me included.
During my tour I think I had a total of around 10-13 different 2nd Lts assigned to lead my platoon, most rotating to the rear or getting wounded.
Peter Douvis
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Thanks for sharing and so sorry you and many others had to endure this war. God Bless you!
I joined the Army in Sept ’71 to leave a bad home situation and just 5 days after turning 18. The recruiter said no chance of going to Nam, it was being shut down. Seven months later I was in DaNang, waiting to be assigned. While there 196th LIB was coming in from the field and going home. They told harrowing stories, I was scared. Because I could type so they sent me to 1st Avn Bde at Marble Mountain to be an Admin for the Bn Cdr. I enjoyed the Avn comradery. Closed that base and moved on to Camp Holloway in Plieku. Again Avn and there in S4. Was in Country 11 1/2 months departing Mar 8, ’73. While happy to leave, I had grown close to locals who supported us. They were terrified as to what awaited then and their families when we were gone. I ended up staying in the Army for 25 years, going to OCS and retiring as a Major. I still see the faces of those locals who cried as they told me of what would happen to them for supporting us. Yes, I’d do it all again.
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When I got to 330th RRC on Engineer Hill, Pleiku, the old guy lingies and traffic analysts that had been there for Tet told me how an American commander didn’t want his armor to go into a residential area because he was afraid the civilian casualties would be horrific. They waited for the communists to get out. When the Americans rolled in, there were dead civilians all over the place. They weren’t killed by us. No wonder people there were afraid. You can read about what happened on the road from Pleiku to Cheo Reo in a book called Cruel April. It was written by a French journalist that had once been supportive of the VC and NVA. He changed his mind later.
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Fair amount of BS here.
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I was my Platoon Leader’s RTO in Vietnam in 1969 & 70, I can identify with a lot you have written. You story is sad, very well written. Currently, we have 12 members on a committee to write and encourage our comrades of Echo Company of the 199th LIB to write a book about our experiences in Vietnam and how the Vietnam War affected our lives after we came home. I now wish we had started our book at least 4 or 5 years earlier, we are losing our comrades, some feel they are too old to write, others have dementia, and some still have memories and anxiety and just want to be left alone. I wish you nothing but the best with your book. Thanks you for your service.
May God Bless You & Yours.
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I was a platoon leader and company commander with the 9th Infantry in the Delta. I was CO in a different company than my initial platoon. Probably half of my NCOs graduated from NCO school at Benning and were universally outstanding. Every time I hear a read the “shake and bake” description, it truly pisses me off. It is really disrespectful to those young men who did their jobs well. Their are incompetents from that school, ROTC, and OCS, but it is wrong to denigrate an entire class of leaders.
When I came home from Nam, I was a PI at Benning teaching small unit tactics to all three of those groups. We washed out most of those who didn’t have what it took to lead.
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I intended no disrespect. I used the term only because it was common jargon of the day. My Platoon Sergeant was 19 years old and also an Instant NCO. He was an outstanding soldier in every respect and a fine leader. Unfortunately, he, like Roberts, didn’t make it home.
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i totaly agree with bob no one should be put in a box and catagorized by someone elses action and especially labled i graduated nco in 1969 my first day off hill 411 on pepper ridge that night i met a young man from holland michigan married wife was expecting was going to see her on rr in 2 weeks we had alot in common my wife was also with child.next morning captain told the platoon i was assigned to to go on a search patrol. doug my friend i met said you stay behind and get get aquainted with things .they were gon 5 minutes and were ambushed the captain told me the fng shake bake in the terms of the author most disresepectful. i grab m16 and several men and we rushed head long into the ambush upon arriving at the site there were bodies everywhere i crawled up the side of the ridge and the first boots i crab were dougs he was dead.mind you this is my second day in combat. let me back up when first arriving at the ambush sight the men i had taken and i were crouched behind a huge boulder and they said to me what do we do my words were these who has been here the longest a young spoke by the name of skip i said what do you think he said lets crawl up the ridge under cover and help them i did not say i am the fing seargeant you will do what i say no i reached out to the one with the most expericence. i pulled doug to my side and then we carried his body to the rice paddies and put him on the chopper for home. my second day as i watched that bird leave knowing i would never see him again i set and cried the men that were with me gathered round and comforted me. 6 months later skip was killed 25 years later i was able to contact dougs family got to meet his son he never saw we went to dougs grave and placed a flower. till this very day i go once a year 400 miles away and visit doug .so dont you EVER disrespect a soldier in my person or you may wish you never came home. to me the author is a arrogant idiot. we all faced our fears and by the grace of God some made home but not all in one piece after that day i became known as sergeant rock
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one more thing i visited my m60 gunner in clare mich. lats year and after listning to him fo 2 hrs i never said a word he put his arm around me and walked to my truck and said you know rock i never thought of you as my sergeant i thought of you as my friend tears
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Great input. This is Wayne Wade and my web address is Iam777.org. Walked point for my squad in 67 for 9 months. Couldn’t find Roberts name on the wall. Doesn’t mean this story is untrue but until I see his name on the wall, well you know the rest.
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Did not use actual names for obvious reasons, but story is 100% true.
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Comment well said by Bob on Oct. 11, 2020!
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See my October 11,2020 post. It was a commonly used term even by those who went through the training.
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I agree with Robbie that “Shake ‘n Bake” or “Instant NCO” were well-used terms in Vietnam describing those new E-5 sergeants who completed training and does not differ from “Butter Bars” which described those officer graduates of OCS. Both terms simply referred to the individual obtaining rank via schooling in a short period of time vs. obtaining rank through the normal promotion process over time in the service. None of these were considered derogatory.
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I’d like to order this book, where do I go to get this book?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Heart wrenching, and at 22 now how we should have lived, can’t imagine a lot of 22 year olds in this day being that professional, looks to be like 17 or 18 in the picture. How did we ever survive?? Respect!! And admiration.
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