Even if your knowledge of the Vietnam War comes exclusively from Hollywood films and Texan textbooks that only refer to it as “that one the good guys lost,” you’ve probably heard about the Viet Cong. They were a bunch of jungle-fighting guerrilla warriors who killed American boys via night-time ambushes and terrifying traps. Well, that’s one side of the story. Here’s another: They were a bunch of scared (mostly) young kids fighting in a massive conflict for very personal reasons. We sent a writer out to Vietnam to speak with Nguyen Hoa Giai. He fought as a Viet Cong from the late 1950s to the end of the war in the mid-’70s. Here’s what he told us.
#8. We Weren’t All Communists; We Just Wanted Independence
I became a Viet Cong guerrilla in the late 1950s, when I was 15. It wasn’t because I was a Communist, or because I ran away to join the circus and just got wildly sidetracked. My uncle actually fought on Ho Chi Minh’s side of things during WWII when the resistance against Japanese occupation was actually funded by the Americans and Brits. Here he is palling around with Allied soldiers:
I was just mad at how the South was pushing all of its excess money into the major cities like Saigon. The South Vietnamese government seemed to ignore small towns and villages, like mine. Ngo Dinh Diem (the leader of South Vietnam at the time) even took away our farms and put them under the control of a single rich guy who’d supported the French in World War II. This happened all over South Vietnam and was called “land reform,” rather than the far more accurate “serious, deep, and exploratory boning.”
The French, who had controlled Vietnam since the 1800s, always saw the locals as “lower,” and we never forgave them for refusing to give us independence. Ho Chi Minh was snubbed twice, and after the second time he reacted. My uncle also wanted independence and would do anything, including support Communism, to get it.
Once the fighting started, a lot of people died, well over a million on our side alone. For the war to continue, a constant stream of new fighters had to join up, and they didn’t have the benefit of such luxuries as “functional equipment” or “the slightest idea what to do.” Over 90 percent of these new recruits were teenagers or younger. Many of them weren’t even particularly invested in the “cause” itself. Supporting Communism or the dream of a united Vietnam was less a motivator than wanting revenge for the death of a parent, loved one, or child. The Viet Cong (literally: the National Liberation Front or just “the front”) were just a means for securing that revenge.
Most of them were aware that Stalin and Mao each had movements named after them (Stalinism and Maoism), so they just assumed Socialism was named after a guy named Social and Communism was named after a guy named Commun. A distressing number of my co-soldiers still thought we were fighting France. They knew of Ho Chi Minh, but only in vague propagandistic terms, not the man’s actual history. When we told them we wanted a Socialist society, they just said yes because they were mostly poor, grieving peasants living through a shortage of damns, and thus had none to spare for politics.
#7. We Were Just as Scared of the Jungle as the Americans Were
Your movies tend to portray the Viet Cong as deadly jungle warriors, blending into the foliage and melting out of the wild to launch continuous surprise assaults on various Rambos. That’s all a big load of crap: Many of us (including me) came from border towns and grew up in the hills or the mountains. We had no more mastery over the jungle than a kid from Oregon has over Death Valley.
So the jungle was alien to many of us, and unlike most of the American soldiers, we were stuck spending our entire war there. My uncle and I didn’t trust the tunnel systems many of the other VC used. They were prone to collapse, and if that happened over a barracks or a mess hall it was likely to kill more people than an air raid. So we did most of our moving around outside, under the questionable cover of grass mats. This meant we were not only completely open to rain storms … but also to murderous animals. It’s easy to forget, amid all the drama of war, that there were tigers in that jungle. Easy to forget until you met a goddamn tiger, that is.
Tigers may be shy, but every once in a while one of us would disappear in the middle of the night, and we’d all just sort of understand why. Tigers don’t exactly do end-zone dances after every kill, after all.
And so many people were killed by snakes. There were also rats as large as cats, mosquitoes, spiders, and centipedes to contend with. While you won’t usually die from a centipede bite, one of my co-guerrillas committed suicide after being bitten because the pain was so intense.
Armed adversaries give you comparatively good odds of survival. Mother Nature has things uglier than bullets in her arsenal.
#6. The Fighting Looked Nothing Like the Movies
Movies always make the fighting between Viet Cong and American soldiers look like gruesome, close-up gunfighting. That kind of stuff happened, sure, but only when absolutely everyone fucked up. In reality, even when we were shooting at the enemy, we usually couldn’t see them. There’d be muzzle flashes or tracers in the distance, and we’d just fire at those. During more than a decade of fighting, I saw living enemy soldiers up close only three times.
The first time was right after a firefight, and we were shocked to see how blackened the bodies were. We thought they must have been charred by an explosion until we realized their skin was naturally black. None of us had seen a black person before. Some people thought they were myths. All of them were either dead or near-death. We shot the wounded survivors with a pistol. We were in no condition to provide them with medical care. It seemed kinder than letting them bleed out. We didn’t torture them or take any pleasure in the deaths. The younger guerrillas, who were less attuned to death, even cried.
Thanks to Hollywood, you probably picture the VC as constantly popping out of holes in the ground like deadly gophers. But like I said before, my group avoided those cramped, rickety tunnels full of death traps like, well … like cramped, rickety tunnels full of death traps. You don’t need an analogy to understand why that sounds like a bad idea. But sometimes we’d have to go really far south, or there’d be exceptionally clear skies and we’d decide that the tunnel sounded like marginally more fun than a bomb. The tunnels were essential for a lot of the VC, though, especially around Saigon.
Unlike living under the mats, tunnel living was a whole different world. The big ones had a kitchen area, with a smokestack jutting out sideways so the smoke would billow out far away. There was always rice, usually along with a vegetable or meat (rat or monkey).
But, as always, the great outdoors was the best bathroom. We generally had to wait for nightfall to relieve ourselves, but if it was an emergency, well … you just kind of hope the bomb hits you direct, so nobody sees that you died squatting with your pants around your ankles. Once, in a tunnel near the Laotian border, we even made a fun game: The goal was to be the person who could finish their business outside first. We all got pretty good at this, but once a guy panicked when he heard the distant drone of a plane’s engine. He leapt back in, spraying piss everywhere.
It turned out the plane was North Vietnamese. Everyone laughed, except the guy who’d sprayed us with his pee: He’d been the record-holder prior to that point, and now his record was irrevocably tarnished. With pee.
#5. We Were the Biggest Threat to Our Own Safety
On a day-to-day basis, enemy soldiers weren’t our biggest threat. We saw more American leaflets and trash piles than actual combatants:
My group’s job was mainly to observe troops near the Ho Chi Minh trail. Again, we only got into fights when someone screwed up. But we didn’t need any help, American or otherwise, to get ourselves killed and mangled: Recruiting undisciplined kids and giving them more responsibility than a Tamagotchi will see to that.
Sure, there were VC training centers, but local recruits rarely attended. For every trained person we got through a camp, three more came from the surrounding area with only the vaguest idea of what a gun was. We provided on-the-job training to our guerrillas, and that led to disaster. I remember teaching one recruit, about 17 years old, how to throw a grenade. He pulled the pin then asked us what to do next. We were shouting at him to toss it, but he just waved at us, and watched the fuse burn up to the shell. It exploded. So did he.
Another recruit was given a Chinese AK to stand guard with, and then later that day he was asked to cut down a tree branch to give us better visibility for the night. Instead of asking for a saw, he flipped the AK on automatic and proceeded to shoot the branch down. The branch came down, but a bullet ricocheted off and killed him. So we had to bury him, as well as find a new position. His shooting had given us away.
#4. Our Best Gear Was Old Junk, and It Usually Came From America
Because we were on the front lines of South Vietnam, we were pretty far down the food chain when it came to getting weapons. Some came in through the Ho Chi Minh trail, but most of those went to the VC outside of Saigon. With the NVA above us and more critical Viet Cong below us, the guerrillas in the middle got the “short bus” weapons.
It worked like this: The Soviets would make a bunch of AK-47s and send them to China. The Chinese would keep the Russian AKs and replace them with inferior knockoffs that they’d produced. The North Vietnamese Army got the Chinese weapons, along with whatever WWII-era crap they had left over. Since all of the “good” weapons from this already-bad lot went to the NVA and VC near major cities, we mostly wound up with antiques — and not even the nice, collectible antiques that old ladies build nests out of. Just old junk.
Ironically enough, most of them were originally American made. M1s (I remember the iconic “ping” sound) and Thompsons were the norm in the early years. After fights, there were always enemy M16s scattered about, but we didn’t touch those — they never worked right. In one of the few true close-in fights we had with the Americans, they were actually using AK-47s against us. The American rifles were that bad.
Toward the end of American involvement, we were just getting mortars and mortar shells. The North Vietnamese army was stockpiling everything else for an invasion of the South. In the jungle where we were, fired mortar shells could hit a tree branch and go off prematurely, killing us. So we had to find a way to use them, which required a lot of trial and error. I was in my late 20s by this time and by far the oldest living guy in my squad, so everyone else (all but one a teenager or younger) asked me to figure out something that worked.
What followed was a disastrous slapstick montage — people were physically holding the mortar at chest level and firing horizontally (and then flying backwards from the force of the weapon). We eventually got the idea to tie them onto trees, with the backs of the mortars against the trunk. It made one giant 360-degree cannon. As long as it wasn’t fired with another tree right in front of it, it seemed to work pretty well.
And yes, we made traps, including those iconic tiger traps with spikes on the bottom. Those actually were made more with tigers in mind than any hope of spearing American GIs. It’s, uh … it’s right there in the name, really. Seriously, tigers are fucking terrifying.
#3. Our Side’s War Crimes Were Often Glossed Over
Whenever “Vietnam War crimes” are mentioned in the West, people think of My Lai or Agent Orange being dumped over large swaths of forests. Those are both awful things. But, for whatever reason, my own side gets to walk away whistling suspiciously.
That shouldn’t be the case: We committed war crimes on a regular basis. How do I know? I saw them. The North Vietnamese Army would purposely target hospitals and medical areas, because that was where they could do the most damage. I wouldn’t have believed it if somebody had just told me back during the war — but I saw it happen at a base in the Quang Tri area and heard the order given when we briefly came to an NVA area to get new orders. We were also occasionally called away from the trail to watch over a VC or NVA firefight — having long-range rifles as support was effective. But many of us would stop firing when we saw villages going up in smoke or villagers being shot. The VC and NVA weren’t always sure if people near the border were pro- or anti-American, so rather than take chances, they went by the “atrocity them all and let god cry it out” philosophy.
#2. No One Really “Survives” a War Intact
In 1974, with the U.S. out and South Vietnam operations winding down, my VC group was allowed to go home. I took the trails up to my village. As I approached, I started noticing odd things. Signs were gone, no kids came begging, no travelers walked the paths to and from the town. It all seemed too quiet. I remember running up to my village to find nothing. It was literally all gone.
I found only traces of burned buildings under the dirt. When I went to the hill outside my village I saw a new indentation in the land. It wasn’t a crater from a bomb; it was a mass grave. And despite knowing what I was going to find, I dug it up.
To this day I have no idea if the North Vietnamese, the Americans, or someone else was responsible. But the way everything was just covered by a bulldozer indicated the North Vietnamese. Everyone but my youngest brother was gone (and he would die during the Chinese War five years later). I’m not special. Ask any older Vietnamese person: They’ve all lost many, many loved ones. And not always due to America or its allies. I never expected to survive 10 years at the front. And, to be honest, I still don’t really feel like I survived.
#1. Only Time and Support Can Heal Wounds
After the war, I moved to Saigon. At that point I’d never lived in a city and had spent half my life utterly detached from society. All I knew was how to hide, kill, and drill. It came out everywhere I went. I fought people because of the way they were carrying a loaf of bread, because it looked like they were smuggling a radio. I had the bathtub taken out of my apartment and built a custom one out of metal, tarps, and dirt — to simulate bathing in a river. In hip U.S. neighborhoods, they’d call that something like “paleo bathing” and charge you a fortune for it, but I just knew no other way to be. I had to be reminded constantly to pay for things, because I was just so used to taking them. I struggled with PTSD and depression. I thought a lot about suicide.
In a weird way, Communism actually helped keep me alive. Workers in unified Vietnam were forced to socialize with each other during breaks and lunch. That’s down to the whole “commune” part of “Communism.” Lone wolves might have strange ideas; they might not be committed to the party. I started talking with others around me to avoid suspicion and found that, to my surprise, human interaction has some kind of value.
Many of them had similar experiences: They’d lived, but they had lost their family and friends in horrific ways. Over months and years of breaks, lunches, and trade meetings, my group of co-workers turned into a “Depression Anonymous” support group.
Life is much better now. By the 1990s, the U.S., Australia, and South Korea all more or less apologized for their role in the war. Today, the U.S. is actually viewed favorably by over three-quarters of the population. The general negative feelings are actually aimed more at France and China than the U.S., since you guys at least apologized. I’ve personally forgiven the U.S. and everyone else for their involvement in the war. I lost my entire family, but I managed to start a new one with a wife who also lost nearly everyone, including her husband, in the war.
I went back to the site of my village a few years ago and found it to be a forest. The sunken area with the grave is still there, but there is a small memorial with trees growing over it. It made me feel oddly at peace: Death had been covered by new life.
This article was originally published on Cracked.com, March 27, 2015. Author Evan V. Symon wrote this article based on his interview with a former Viet Cong soldier, Nguyen Hoa Giai, during the Vietnam War. Evan V. Symon is the interview finder at Cracked and was honored to talk with Nguyen.
This is the link to the original article: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1562-8-facts-about-vietnam-war-i-learned-as-viet-cong.html
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I served in 3rd Corp of Vietnam as the commander of the scout jeep for the 25th Infantry Division resupply convoy than as a team leader of an Ambush and Reconnaissance (LRP) team in 1968. After the war I studied the history of Vietnam and learned a lot about those we fought against. My conclusion is that we supported the wrong side. Ho Chi Minh and his forces fought for the US against the Japanese and thousands of his men died so Americans wouldn’t during WW2. President Roosevelt and our OSS assured Ho Chi Minh that the US would not support France coming back into Indochina after the war. It was President Trueman who refused to honor the agreement and support France reentry into Indochina.
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Never make War on our Brothers in Arms
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A farmer goes to war against an enemy invading their country. A boy gets trained to shoot a weapon and goes to defend another country. They fight and some live and some die. They have no idea what is right or wrong, only that they must live to fight another day.
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Great article. I often wondered what the other side thought about the war. I have always said that most people just want to live in peace and raise their family. The downfall is that there are those that want to rule over us on a harmful way.
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People might also ask why this article was published on Cracked. Which is a COMEDY web page.
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I found this very interesting…it seems like any other soldier telling their personal experience with what they went through. And it is rare to hear the other sides experience. And I can contest war is ugly whatever side you are on. I can’t say I can forgive the Iraqis.
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I never served, but really appreciate this article and website. Much respect for what you guys went through.
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This article drips of communist sympathies.
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Its mostly BS. Where I was the NVA who came across the border were well armed and had newer equipment in most cases than I did. They had huge supply dumps in Cambodia with trucks and forklifts. So this junk weapons crap is just that, crap.
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Icorps…No disrespect to you at all, I’m not a veteran, and I have nothing but respect for you and all veterans of all wars. But this guy in the article was VC, he wasn’t NVA. You keep saying BS the NVA had better equipment then the U.S…But this guy states in his article that as a VC guerrilla he was given hand me down type weapons that were junk. I dunno if you missed him saying that in the article.
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You need to understand that many “VC” were NVA that moved South, often in regiment sized units through Laos and Cambodia to infiltrate and then become “VC” this was going on years before America entered the war in any significant way . So there were a large numbers of “VC” who were actually NVA with the uniform off. But if they were unformed it was harder to promote the “capitalists killing rice farmers” thing. Now were there VC? Of course. But remember that the NVA/hard core VC would draft young men, they would tell people that if they did not use the old rifle they were given to shoot at American bases every morning or evening they would kill their Water Buffalo or their family. Of course they have already “educated” communist style (with a bullet) any “unfriendly” village leadership at least once just to make sure people got the point. Actions like this, terrorizing the local populace, stealing their rice as a “tax”, collecting money as a tax to support themselves, is the reason that remote areas where I served had the populations moved out to remove people from the terror and help cut off the communists supply of local young men, money and supplies. Now when/ where I was we never patrolled in a village. Almost never had any contact with civilians while on an operation or patrolling. My BNs normal area of operation ran from the DMZ south to Cam Lo in what the Marines called “Leatherneck Square” IIRC. Our war was ALL against NVA that infiltrated over the border either direct from North Vietnam or through Laos in the area West and North of Khe Sanh. I never saw a VC in 1970-71. Our normal patrol areas were “free fire zones” and anything we saw that was not American we killed it or drove then back to the DMZ. There were other units to the South whose war was more VC laden, especially before Tet 68. I cannot speak for any place other than where I served. But I can read and here is a lot of information out there if you look. The problem is that even by the 1960s there was significant anti-American sentiment in the “news” and in education at all levels. It was not accidental and just as now, though on a smaller scale, it was done to promote World Federalism/socialism-communism/collectivism/totalitarianism (after he retired Walter Chronkite got an award from the World Federists for all his “good work”). So even then the “news” was their “truth” in many cases, especially about the VN war or much of anything concerning the communists by 1970. Even J Edgar Hoover lied about Soviet involvement/funding of the war protests, why would he do that? After the USSR collapsed a high ranking KGB agent stated “was the best money we ever spent”. So people really need to ask if what they know about the Cold War, Vietnam and even Korea is truth or “pravda”. History teachers in the US to this day routinely lie about US history, not just VN but our history from Columbus to date. This has been going on at some level since shortly after WW-I. But thats another topic. It’s pretty scary. Remember we had significant numbers of Marxists in high places with lots of money by the 1890s, certainly by 1913.
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Daniel Phariss, I can “ditto” everything you said here. I was a “grunt” in the 1st Inf. Division for most of 1967. During that time we operated mostly in the large expanses of jungle in War Zone C from Lai north to Loch Ninh in Binh Long Province and rarely had interactions with villages. It was usually tunnels, underground bunker complexes and ox trails for us with a few rubber tree plantations in between. I was there during some fairly large engagements with the Ninth Division of the NVA, mostly with the 271st, 272nd and 273rd regiments. During my time there and also during Operation Junction City the named battles fought were Prek I and Prek II, Ap Bau Bang, Soui Tre and Ap Gu. Alexander Haig fought at Ap Gu as commander of “Blue Spaders” (1/26th)
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On your entire website, I could not find any read on Agent Orange or defoliants in general
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There are none. Do you have one that you’d like to provide as a guest?
On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 2:53 AM CherriesWriter – Vietnam War website wrote:
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Writing about herbicides/Agent Orange is well beyond my expertise. The best I can offer is a link to an excellent article by Nicole Fisher in the May 28, 2018. edition of Forbes mag. Would it qualify better as it’s own category? Overall I find your Vietnam website excellent.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/2018/05/28/the-shocking-health-effects-of-agent-orange-now-a-legacy-of-military-death/#3f21af5c21c6]
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I enjoyed the read but honestly, is this a faked article? The language is completely off, The vietnamese dont talk like that at all.
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Great article I enjoyed the part about the tigers. Many parts about the war I did not know. Thank you for this article.
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When I was in Nam, 68/69 we used to say, “what if they gave a war, and no body showed up”
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Thank you for your honesty and eloquence. Tigers are no fun, are they? I hope our two countries can become close. Some of my best, dearest friends are people I have fought at some time. Perhaps countries and people’s can be the same.
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Very interesting. The article rings true. He was there and survived. Can only think “If not for the governments…there could/would have been more peace and less war”. Thanks for making this available and thanks to Evan V. Symon and Nguyen Hoa Giai for getting this history recorded.
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Hello,
Wonderfull read.
My father was a vet of the war an seeking to get in touch
Thankyou
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Seems to be a honest man, however, I don’t remember anyone apologizing for our involvement. Some democrat may have, I don’t know. But many of us who did the actual fighting feel we owe no apology for fighting tyranny and for freedom.
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Freedom? YOU WERENT LIBERATORS, YOU WERE THE CONQUERERS. VIETNAM was a country that was trying to gain its independence from colonial French rule, and America got involved primarily to feed its military industrial complex, which Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against.
The country is free now after defeating the French and US.
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The French were long gone by the time the Communists started ti invade the South to inflict their murderous ideology.
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So how many South Vietnamese, innocent civilians, were killed by the communist “librators”. There is no “liberation” by Marxists/communists. Look to the number of their own civilians murdered during the 20th c. The CONSERVATIVE number is 150 million. Then the deaths in their wars of “liberation”. We had little choice but to get involved. AND we had a TREATY with South VN and as members of SEATO South Korea and Australia were involved as well. There were communist “wars of liberation” around the world, some on our very doorstep. Remember all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. Now that we were not allowed to save South VN from communist aggression is another story, But we had a Democrat in the White House until 1969 and when Nixon tried to take more aggressive action communists in the media, academia and congress stopped him. Not all the enemy were in Vietnam, or the communist countries world wide send supplies and advisors to North VN, the most effective were right here in the US.
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thank you for sharing this
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Pretty good post yes those m16s wwere junk i refused use one i carried a 45 most my time there in my deuce an half i hauled supplies in icorp i read this story and it is pretty factual we did our jobs to free these people from communiisum but thr nva were beeiing recruited by ruussia and china not all north vieetnamese i met them on border of laos on 29th march 71 when lam san 719 endded they had long hair tto their shoulderrrs dark tan people from other countries they came to meet me and i talked to them with an iiterpreter these are peobably who kkilledd his family they were recruited by ships by russia they came and took uniforms off dead north vietnamese our jets killed on. 28th march near khe sahn on 29th i met them its neverr been told yet it was secret operation by 101st Airborne from nixon. About finding our pows it all covered up but i feel they are the ones did this im a wittness all communists we did our jobs well but got let down big time by greedy politicians they kept my bunker and everything i had in it on border of laos made me stay till mess was cleaned up by our bulldozers between two mountains next to khe sahn on north sidehorseshoe mountains shape down on inside they buurried all blown up artillerry pieces and bodies i was there till april 71
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This fellow is an American trying to pull the wool over us. The nearest he has been to Vietnam is nEW yORK.
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I’ve always liked seeing from the other side, how they felt about the war……I was a medic, all I saw was the wounded….I never knew where they were coming from, just that they were in my operating room….. It is very interesting to me to see what was happening while I was there doing what it was that I did, try and save people. I remember we had a VC in the hospital once, I recall seeing him hand-cuffed to the bed with an MP beside him.
Good article,…..thanks my friend.
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The only time that I knew that I had seen a Viet Cong was when I was in the hospital for my first wound and an orderly asked me to hold up the feet of a dying Vietnamese man so he could wrap his legs in bandages. He had been hit by artillery fire, and allegedly died soon afterwards.
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It’s very educative..i like it.Its historical.
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OUTSTANDING!!!!!! All Americans should read this!!!!! RVN 69/70 11B squad leader 6/31 Inf. 9th. Inf.
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I am a Marine Corps veteran of Vietnam. I spent 1967 and 1968 there in country. From March to April 67-68. I was a grunt and a scout sniper. I was awarded to purple hearts. No bitterness here but I should have received a third purple hearts. But it is what it is. Vietnam was such a horrible and frustrating war. Close to 60,000 Young man, a generation lost, that some continue to say became a war of no necessity. Then we ask is that he wore necessary? The answer sad rain has to me yes some wars are very necessary. This one was not. There were many horrific fire fights and operations that we Mima third Battalion seventh Marines were engaged in. I was with the my company second for tune. November 26 of 1967 hour per turn west practically annihilated. Out of 39 marines seven Were killed and 15 wounded. We were ambushed by two companies of entrenched NVA. I will not go into detail but we exchanged small arms and mortars during the entire night. We were tired as hell having hump all day but doing what you have to do next with fear that you wide-awake throughout they night. Artillery and Huey gunships were called then the following morning if not for them I believe we would have been overrun. Yes life was pure hell for the grunt recon and scout snipers for they lived in the bush. 60,000 good young man with now no offspring or family was a loss that cannot be counted in numbers. We were truly a lost generation of Young men and boys man who became boys and boys who became man. My pain still exist to this very day. I still have dreams or nightmares but of course not as often. Sights and smells immediately take me back to a time in my life that was so much a part of my soul. I wish I could speak to and home the ones I held her dearly as come rotary and friends. My resolve of the war has none. I live on with sadness and depression. No medication or group therapy have resolve this state of min. I know you could actually care less and I say that without vindictive vind I know you could actually care less and I say that without vindictive sarcasm.
I was told by my company commander Lieutenant _ _ _ _ s., that he awarded me a brown star when I came back to the hill after being wanted the first time he asked me if I received a Purple Heart I then said yes sir I had he then said well I ordered you a bronze two I then said thank you Sarah and nothing more was ever said about that if I had been an officer I would have received my third heart and a bronze star. Again I must say it is what it is! No one really cares do they !?!??God bless you all God bless those whose lives were taking in the jungles, mountains, and rice patties of south Vietnam.
Semper Fi.
Excuse the many errors in the dictation of this iPhone. It is really terrible.
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Thank you, brother for your sacrifice and welcome home. Don’t worry about the typos, I understood you completely! War is hell and the memories last forever. God Bless and Semper Fi!
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Cherries – A Vietnam War Novel wrote:
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You just plagiarized this article from another website.
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Imjin, when someone uses an article on their own website for the purpose of education and entertainment, it is not considered plagiarism when the original author, website and date is cited along with the article.
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Actually it’s copyright infringement. Using it even for education is very problematical if the author wants to push it.
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@ Doc Rock
Would be interesting to learn form the VC captain about their tactics, strategies, failures and successes. What US weaknesses they exploited, what weaknesses the US didn’t exploit, what they feared and how he would have conducted the war if he were on the US side – gaining deeper insight.
Thanks for sharing – and your service.
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A elephant killed its handler in america in about 1923,what they did was get a very big crane and hung the elephant in front of thousands.(you tube)
What l thought looking at these men was what cowards they where no doubt avoided the first war
Just a self gratifying scene of normal people given a chance to express ther nature
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fyi- ho chi minh(‘possibly misspelled) was a pastry chef in boston,mass at a very popular hotel/restaurant. and yes, i would love to meet the vietcong or nva that wounded me to exchange stories and embrace – have a few beers and get drunk together. bob (eagle ) farrell-1st div-lai-khe vietnam 68-69
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as a student of the war! (I was born at FT. RUCKER U.S. army (helicopter training base) in ozark alabama. in “1962” so my father was one of the first vietnam (era) draftees! so i remember the war as a kid and it both scared me (along with later living close to berkley,ca) & it to a young boy seemed that the war would never end! then when saigon fell on my 13th birthday 4/30/75 I just couldn’t believe it? nor understand it? so i started a life long investagation about learning why we lost & abandoned our allies? so thanks to the cherry articles i learn a completely new side of the story almost weekley! THANK YOU! chris dutro
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I was very taken how this VC combatant had to put his life back together.
There were so many of us that still struggle with our identity and what we left behind.
When I returned I told my wife if she had any questions ask me now and never speak of it again.
Five years ago I was asked to join an outreach group which I think saved my life.
I now go to group meetings and unit reunions.
God Bless all service men & woman and there families for defending the USA.
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Looks like you have come to grips with your place. I find my own acceptance, OK but few others can deal with it, now alone, is OK.
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I found what I read was interesting to say the least. Every combat Veteran that I know has his own story, his own nickname, his own cross too bare and gost to deal with. PTSD that’s just the beginning of a bunch of memories we only share with only a few VA included. When I checked in the nurse that took my information after a couple of minutes excused herself and left her office. When she returned she brought two Security Police with her because as the Sargent said smiling I frightened her within my first few sentences. I was escorted too to Behavioral Health better known as Mental Health. This is how I started our conversation.
A poem I wrote when I first came back called “Hero’s Grave”
I saw body bags sent to the U.S.A. get up and walk, get smoked away,
left me there forever in scares, a place somewhere I won’t take you.
Beat it up!
Home I came from once I left, 24 hrs. away from death, two tiny soul’s
and a woman who cared, jones just beat me to death.
Beat it up!
Sometimes I wished I died on the battle field, I saw their eye’s but I didn’t
feel, forty six years later and I’m ok, but I don’t deserve a Hero’s Grave.
How bout the children of the damned, Daddy’s back from Vietnam.
Husbands, Fathers, little ole Men, Lost in a War in a foreign land.
Do you think it’s right for a Hero’s Welcome to walk down the street and
know a promise was broken. Kid’s all alone and a woman to worry,
Lost to a war in a senseless furry.
Beat it up!
Sometimes I wished I died on the battle field, I saw their eyes but I didn’t
feel, forty six years later and I’m ok, but I don’t deserve a Hero’s Grave.
Beat it up and out
revised 12/5/2014 ©
Still bitter about our Government who ordered American B-52’s to Stop
the bombing North where they knew first hand the NVA were bailing out of Hanoi by the thousands. The rules of Engagement that we were to fight by would have and did get a lot of our Marines, Army, Navy, and Pilots killed because of that and the crooked way they lied too us all.
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I find the prose used by the said NVA/VC rather dubious. I have met many former VC, NVA and Rice Farmers since my two tours 68-69 with Mobile Riverines and with MACV 1972, both times as Combat Medic. Many still fear “US” when you walk up to say Hi. One former VC Captain lived right next door to me with 8, members of his family all in a tiny 3 bed room apartment here in Texas. He always avoided me when I was entering or leaving the Apartment Complex. but one day his wife dropped a bag of groceries at my feet. He was surprised that I had made an effort to assist her while at the same time she was trying to run me off. For her side of it was that she embarrassed about dropping her bag almost on my foot and that me, being a single male and that we had not been properly introduced. He came out of the apartment and we together cleaned up the mess. He then pointed to my Purple heart Hat that said “Combat Wounded in Vietnam” he then told me he was a Form VC Captain and asked “if I still hated Vietnam and it’s People”. All these months he thought that I might be a Pyscho Vietnam Viet that he heard and read about on the news. I invited him over to my apartment and we had a few beers and told him about my Tour in the Delta and some of other assignments that I had. I think Luckily At no time did our paths cross during those tours. During the following weeks that we did visit when he talked, he never spoke about “Joining The Circus” or “Used GI Slang”. He was educated and spoke exceptionally well for a so called immigrant. He like several other former “Enemy Combatants” I met have during my 20+ years in the Army they have all given me a Deeper Understanding Of Their Sacrifices In War and the Comradery of a Fellow Warrior.
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Why did this communist move HERE? Perhaps he could not tolerate the “workers paradise” he fought to set up? Maybe he finally figured out he was a one of the people Lenin described as “useful idiots”. I don’t know why the SOB was even allowed INTO the US. Yeah I understand the idea that he has much in common with the US veterans. I figured this out while searching a dead NVA one morning out near Khe Sanh, but having him move here still irritates me greatly. He made his bed he should at least have the fortitude to lie in it as the people in the South were forced to do….
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Please get help. Your posts in this thread suggest you’re in real need of some.
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I have had help. I learned to forgive. I searched a dead NVA one morning out NE of Khe Sanh. He had come close to killing me and even nearer killing the man on duty. Going through his pockets. Girl or wife’s photo. Pack of C rat luckys. Ball point. I realized going through his pockets we had a great deal in common. They suddenly become human. He had his orders and I had mine. Just different sides. I have no hatred or animosity. Its too bad he died but better him than me. The guy that fought for the Communists then moved here? WHY? Did he finally “wake up”? AFTER, his part in inflicting the most murderous ideology of the 20th c on the innocent people of the South? I came home from the war a fairly upset young man. But I found forgiveness is better than hate. But forgiveness does not include lying to myself or failing to question things. Maybe YOU should read what i posted and think a minute or two. Remembering that “truth is the new hate speach” it seems.
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Travel to Viet Nam these days, please. As a gift to yourself. The visit will answer many of your questions and expel the demons the battlefield left you with. It’s not about Communists, Jihadists, Nazi, Japs, Chinks, etc. It’s the hatred a soldier acquires in any field of battle against an enemy that later may be a friend. Get war finally out of your mind,, brother.
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To Icorps 1970 – its important for protection of one’s own sanity to hate the evil ideology with a pure, unwavering hatred and to also be ready to become the bearer of death to all those who raise their hand to defend such evil causes against humanity, regardless of their personal motivations. However, it is just as important to lower our weapons the instant an individual among that number no longer presents a threat to ourselves, or our own righteous cause. All the while, we should love the individual, whether, we are putting a bullet through his head or shaking his hand.
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Don’t know how I got here, but damn glad I found this site.
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War causes suffering for all combatants not just while they serve but for the rest of their lives. This man comments seem heartfelt and I am glad he shared his side of the war. The glaring difference is how the veterans of this war were treated by their citizens. No twenty plus year parade makes up for the way many American citizens and our on government treated the returning Vietnam Vet.
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Was it all worth it? Great article though
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No war, without the intent to win going in, is worth the price. Viet-Vet, 1966.
“There is no substitute for Victory!”– Gen. D. MacArthur
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This article suffers greatly with the generic “hip American lingo” ghost written “prose”.
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Bullshit!!! Most of what he says is lies. I was there, I fought and bled there. He is a stinking Communist and always was. The only people who would believe this is someone who never fought those God;ess Communists. The regrets I have is we were not allowed to kill enough of them to give South Vietnam their freedom. Sgt. Gary Deems, 25th Inf. Div. Ist of the 27th Wolfhounds , Delta Company, First Plt. and Crip in 1970.
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There was this movie not long ago, an MP says some people join the Army just so they can legally murder. I thought it was bullshit at the time… but here it is.
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I can understand where you are coming from. A friend of mine had a relative who was a Wolfhound. Welcome home.
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You carry this senseless conflict still inside you mind, sarge. They did the same you would have done to defend your homeland. Drive out the resentment. Americans and Vietnamese are now friends and allies. Each admit it was the wrong war and we soldiers were duped into fighting it for the wrong reasons.
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From an ideological standpoint, America was on the righteous side of the fence in the Vietnam War. Why? Because all causes attempting to bring more personal freedom to mankind are righteous causes and all blood which is shed in that effort is sanctified by that righteous cause. History is filled with evidence which proves to any reasonable mind that personal freedoms flourish when protected by democratic constitutions like ours and totally disappear under Communism with one caveat. The building blocks of all causes and all political structures are its people. Warped individuals will “worm their way to power” in any political system, righteous or unrighteous. When there is no longer a large enough remnant of those building blocks in a free society willing to make the sacrifices necessary to stand up to crimes committed against a free people and its righteous constitution, then tyranny will prevail and free societies will collapse. It happened in Vietnam, and it’s now happening before our very eyes in America.
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Very well said, friend…
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The story about tying mortars to trees is what made me turn really skeptical. Most mortars require a round to be dropped down the tube to strike a fixed firing pin. The HAVE to shoot up. I would also ask how one gets “independence” by fighting for communism. Who told him the story about the Soviet AKs and Chinese AKs? We captured at least one that we were told came from Poland. I have an Russian headstamp AK round in the house that I took out of an AK. What about all the stuff that came in on Russian ships? Did the Chinese take these and replace them too? Its mostly BS in my opinion. Long range rifles? All their weapons were junk? Then how did they drive off the Americans and shoot the wounded? What about the shooting the tree branch down and having a ricochet kill the shooter? Possible but pretty remote. The NVA grenades I saw had no “pin” but maybe they had Russian or American grenades to waste. I think the article is a crock.
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The first person (besides Loved ones) who Thank’ed me for my service was in 1990 by a young Vietnamese boy in a video store. I came home in 1970 after two tours of combat as a Marine Grunt. My injuries are like most non wounded Marines, PTSD, Agent Orange doused, half deaf, depressed, skeptical of our own Government who lied to us all for the reasons we went to Vietnam in the first place. I lost my childhood to a senseless war that was lost before we even entered. Because of our own Politicians investments, a trade between both the US and the Communist Heroin Drug trading, we as Americans were caught in the middle of Evil Politicians all in the name of War, Poor Farmers, and Rich Assholes some still alive. This Vietnamese soldier has a first hand report of his experiences in his Country which is very interesting and haunting still. GOD Bless him and his Countrymen and Women. Killing is no answer to obtain peace. If we can’t get along here on Earth, How do you expect to live in peace in Heaven above…..
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Thanks Mike… I can identify with all that you said.
Glad I found this site!
Steve
101st Airborne, Phu Bai
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Your last ” sentence ” ?shows you sure aren’t a great Christian ! In heaven there won’t BE this stuff. The Good Book says ” …eye has not seen, nor ear heard the joy of those who believe in me .” Please go to a church and have your pastor or priest straighten you out. Unless you are beyond that..
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In my so-called War Room, I have an old MATS-36 French rifle, NVA Green-Starred canteen and a jungle blade made from an M-60 shell-casing, bamboo and some steel from a US scrap yard … all taken in an early morning ambush outside of Soui Da in IIICTZ. Believe it or not, the NVA canteen and my own are linked together as testimony that we all suffered. Verify: http://www.smybooks.com
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It’s been said that no one really wins or loses a war. Both sides have had their triumphs and tragedies, both during and after the Vietnam conflict. We are all finally more similar than different. There is no “them.”–Tom Reilly
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You are right about that. PTSD is something you choose. For me it kicked my ass and 48 years later I still deal with it. You have to work and work hard.
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I kicked and fought n my sleep for over 40 years not knowing it was PTSD. Some vets like me did not even get a exit physical. The u s army just ignored the Vietnam vet. We did not even have much of a sick call record. Remember during that time your first sergeant could give u a article fifteen for going on sick call. So we really had no proof of much being wrong with u. I had a wife and a child. Could not afford any type of fine.
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Yes… their is a war now. The ” THEM “, now is the Deep Swamp…
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Learned more about my enemy of over 50 years ago. They fought for what they believed in as we did. My respect is high for these warriors. No doubt, he has his demons.Sincerely hope he is having a good life.A big part of me would like to have a face to face to just share and shake hands.Jim Bandy, U.S.Marine,2/26th.Marines,Third Marine Div.,
1966-68.Fox Co…See our story:
INTO THE DMZ (A battle – May 17,1967)
OPERATION HICKORY. Author, Mark Gauld
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Very Good.
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As I think about the time I spent, 1967-1968, I find it hard to believe that I survived. I was in the field the entire time, always in the I-Corp, fighting south or Chu Lai and then during the TET Offensive, I was south and west of Da Nang. It was horrid for all of us on both sides. I prayed for all of us, including and especially for the families; men, women and kids. I was lightly wounded, but saw terrible wounds on tiny little bodies. Yes, Agent Orange was sprayed around us, but we came home while the Vietnamese people stayed and continue to live with the aftermath. My Company Commander refused the M-16s sent to us. We kept our M14s. I’m involved in four military organizations and often hear stories of Veterans who died trying to unjam M16s. It was a weapon that killed or caused the death of many of our own people.
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You probably “met” some of my in-laws. 80 km due south of Da Nang… Beautiful country but I’m glad I worked the Delta.
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There is a lot of correct stuff here. However, “we were not all communists” is basically BS. Like saying all German soldiers were not nazis. THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THE COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY so they were communists or communist dupes, need to die either way both are the mortal enemy of personal liberty. They were communists and apparently didn’t even KNOW IT, but that was and still is true of many Americans. Independence from WHAT? The rest is pretty good. But some is BS I think. Never seeing people he was firing at is a common thing when you can only see a few feet. He does miss one key point. His relatives and everyone else that died in the Viet Nam War died due to communist aggression. Everyone that died in th Korean War and along the DMZ after the “peace” as well. Just as every person who died as a result of WW-II was the fault of Hitler, Mussolini and the Japanese warlords. We had a treaty with South Viet Nam and were not the only people there fighting communist aggression, remember the Australians and ROKs for example. There due to treaty obligations just like the US. Trying to protect a small, basically helpless country, for the brutal nightmare of Stalinist dictatorships.
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Well considering “Nazi” is a made up term conjured up by the very people that dragged your people into a genocidal war using “Atrocity Propaganda” and then reinforced it after the war with more fake atrocity propaganda so that they could with impunity carry on with their agenda of total destruction in the name of “Freedom and Democracy”.
The German Soldier whether National Socialist or not was simply trying to free Germany from the clutches of the Nation Wreckers. It was your money masters that convinced the Poles and Czechs to commit real atrocities against Germans living in the Annexed provinces. It was your money masters that ran media campaign after media campaign to convince unwilling and reluctant Americans to get involved in a war that was not theirs. It was your money masters that froze Japanese assets and confiscated their cargoes crippling them in the midst of their war with China. Yes your history teachers and politicians lied. Pearl Harbour did not simply come out of nowhere it was provoked deliberately in order to help convince Americans that they needed to be “The Greatest Generation of Dupes”
Funny thing is that your parasitical money masters are doing exactly the same thing. Your people are so willing and ready to leap onto any bullshit story they can conjure up and attack some or other country . Funny how you think its OK to avenge some or other “Atrocity” by murdering a thousand times the amount of people that were killed in the alleged atrocity.
In fact looking at all the wars incl WW1 and WW2 and every one since the atrocities committed by the US inc and her allies your leaders should be hung after Nuremberg style trials.
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So who made up the term Nazi??? It was German political oponents long before the war. There is a lot of BS in your post. Too much to bother with. You need to truthfully ask yourself what the world would look like had the US not existed as it did in 1937. Had we not bled the USSR white in the Cold War. Stalin and those who followed him made Hitler seem like a choir boy.
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I smell BS. the article starts with a statement saying it is based on an interview, “during the Vietnam War”, which ended with the unification of north and south on 2 July 1976. Then the quotes the VC soldier using terms Like Rambo(1982) and Tamagotchi (a toy made in 1996). The article even delves into his life after the war and makes statement about apologies that occurred in the 1990’s. So the date of the interview cannot possibly be during the war. Even if I have misunderstood that part, the article also makes date/age mistakes such as stating that the soldier joined the VC in the late 50s at the age of 15 but claims to be in his late 20s at the end of US involvement (1975) a span of at least 25 years putting the VC soldier in his early 40’s not late 20s.
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Stacey, thanks for your comment about the article. The interview was recent and not conducted during the war. It is feasible that he was in his late 20’s near the end of the war and I would venture to say that he is currently in his early seventies.
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It gave me somewhat of an idea of what the VC AND NVA went through. They were some of the smartest people. the way they kept us over there for 10 year and the Washington didn’t how to or what deal with them.
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It is impossible win a war with the constraints loaded onto the US Military. Had we fought WW-II as we did Vn we would have lost it as well.. When I was in country the NVA had bases on the North VN side of the river inside the “Pink Line” They had safe havens in Cambodia, Laos and the North. When Nixon sent forces to destroy the huge supply bases in Cambodia congress stopped him. Even though what the units did get done greatly reduced casualties along the border. Had the US cut off the supply route through Laos in 1966 the war would have been over by 1968. The North leadership admitted the war could not continue without the supplies coming through Laos from the North and direct from Red China via what a vet friend of mine calls the Laredo Highway. But of course winning was not the plan. It was a money maker for the military/industrial complex.
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Thank u for telling your side
We were both sides scared
And did the job we were told to
God bless u sir
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Thanks for this excellent article.
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Very good article.
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I do agree with him about the M-16. If you ever have one jam in a night time fire fight, you will never want to trust it again. Also I started out in Quang Tri.
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this does not sound like a Vietnamese, more like an American
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I tend to agree with you CH, however the writer may have used “American colloquial” language to translate the interview. I do disagree to a point about the comment on the M-16. In the early years of its use there was a jamming problem, however this was attributed to poor powder (Olin) charges in the 5.56 ammo that was being used. once this was corrected, the M-16 performed quite well and still is to this day.
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The original powder as specified by Gene Stoner was a cleaner, but more expensive powder. Some of Kennedy’s Harvard buddies that he had installed at DOD opted for the cheaper crap. They didn’t issue cleaning kits in the beginning. They, finally, got better powder, chromed the chambers to inhibit rust and issued cleaning kits. My in-laws, all VC, were given M-16’s by the NVA… The next time I am in the Highlands I will try to find one (they did not turn them all in) and get a serial number just for grins…
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The problem powder in the early issue 5.56 ammo was in stock surplus powder for the 30-06- 7.62 Nato and yes the burn rate was “OK” but the powder was dirty and had a greater effect on the direct impingement AR system. Colt TOLD them that it would produce reliability issues but the car salesman acting as Sec Def had no understanding of the term when applied to a firearm used in combat. So people died and a really fine firearm got a black eye. I also feel that highly placed people in the military were hoping it would fail and the M14 would be kept as the standard issue infantry rifle. Telling troops it did not need to be cleaned was a mistake. AND based on what I saw in 1970 a lot of people in my unit did not lube the rifle as it was supposed to be. I kept mine wet and it always ran fine unless I had a bad magazine which only happened once. But remember we fought at least 2 years of WW-II with a submarine torpedo with a 50% plus failure rate because Navy Bureau of Ordnance had said it was OK (it had a 50% failure rate in testing, they had shot 2 to “prove” the design) and it was somehow the submarine commanders fault.
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Listen, I was in the field in Vietnam with 1/18th Inf. of 1st Inf. Division in 1967. I observed the performance of the M-16 time and again. The weapon sucks and it got a lot of Americans killed not only because it jammed but because the 5.56 bullet, itself, is too light to penetrate thick jungle undergrowth without starting to tumble, then ricocheting all over the place. It also will not reach out accurately at longer distances. Military got it wrong in Nam and they are still getting it wrong unless they start using the 6.5 cal. in some form for the standard Inf. soldier’s weapon and that is a fact, not a conjecture from an arm chair general somewhere.
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He IS American w/ all colloquialisms and idiosynsyncries. He’s become Americaized. What else would expect?
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your doing great job! Thanks frank solution.
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That was a great article and I learned some things. We Americans weren’t so bad after all. I’ve heard many times from Vietnamese that the North was cruel. Any southerners still hate the people of the north. I know because I lived there from 2003 to 2013.
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Being a Nam Vet I thought it was great. Even after being seriously wounded and somewhat disability I harbor no ill will for the persons of Vietnam, either the VC or NVA. As a matter of fact I would like to meet or correspond with some of them.
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William, I spent 26 months in the Delta where I rose to Team Leader of a LRRP/Ranger Team with the 9th Infantry. I came back in 2010 to visit my old Vietnamese Scout and met a young woman who would become my wife. She is from a tiny village in Quang Nam Province. My in-laws were all VC. The village was drafted by the NVA. Villagers were told that we, Americans, were mercenaries for the hated French and that if we won they would be back. They were also told that if they didn’t fight, they and their families would die. My mother-in-law lost four infant children to the war when a bomb or shell hit their hooch while she was out in the rice paddies. Look at my albums on my FB page. I am Muleskinner. I have hundreds of photos of my LRRP unit, then and now, at 9thdivisionlrrp.com/lightbox. I have many, many friends and contacts here, I am in Ba Ria, Viet Nam, and if you decide to visit, let me know.
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Sal, hometown acquaintance wz rezun I enlisted in USMC. I tried to talk him out of becoming dropout & enlisting coz I’d seen stats abt Hispanic dropouts who enlisted in Corps. He, another friend & one of my neighbors (hw I knew him) had already been sworn in on Buddy Plan. Yr later (6 Aug 1969), just days before he wz due to come home on furlough, he wz killed at Quang Nam region. Probably rezun I’ve become so “philosophical” abt these people. Took me some 25 yrs to “forgive” myself for being unable to talk him out of enlisting, & then another 10–more or less–to rezun with my combat vet & former POW husband that Vietnamese people here had been involved only out of fear & desire to survive & be free from oppression.
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I am married to a Vietnamese woman, I was just there in April and based on what you say you should make the trip also…the people are great and you will be in awe of what it is like now.
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I’m with you William. I have three purple hearts and have been disabled for life at the ripe old age of 21.
I have NO ill feelings towards the VC or NVA. All of my ill feelings are for governments including ours.
I’d love to meet some of my former enemy soldiers who were around CU CHI, Tay Ninh, Dau Tiang etc.
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I spent four Tours in Vietnam and I enjoyed the reading the article. The young and old pay the biggest price in any war. It’s always interesting to get your former enemies take on your War. After Vietnam I spent the remainder of my Career in Germany as an Intelligence Case Officer. I met an old German Fighter Pilot whose legs were injured after has third plane was shot down over Normandy. We were staying in the same hotel and discovered we were both Combat Veterans. We sat in the Gastehouse and talked about both Wars, politics and how they effected the individual soldier. It was a very rewarding experience and I found we had far more in common than difference. So it is that now our former enemies are our friends. Governments cannot be trusted to have the welfare of its people in mind.
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Interesting read, I would agree nature can be very dangerous. Actually wouldn’t mind a private personal conversation with this guy.
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Excellent post…
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