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I arrived at Cu Chi Basecamp on August 8th to attend in-country training at the Tropic Lightening Academy. During my week there, I met the Donut Dollies at the base service club and may have met Ginny during one of my visits. On August 15th, the new replacements flew out to Firebase Kien to join up with our new units. The next day, the murder of a Donut Dollie at the basecamp circulated like wildfire. We were in shock. This was unprecedented. I never learned the details or the outcome until reading this article. Thank you George Slook! / John
by: George F. Slook
Army, 4th Infantry Division, Pleiku & An Khe
© 2008
This is where it all began. The Tropic Lightning Academy was the entry point for all replacements to the 25th Infantry Division and its base camp at Cu Chi, Republic of Vietnam. New arrivals sat in bleacher seats and heard the somber words of seasoned veterans lecture on about what to expect. The Academy was situated within the confines of camp headquarters and had a view of the Donut Dollies billet. On this day, a sign was hung at the billet doorway that read “Welcome Virginia”, giving all assembled the name of someone they would like to meet. The orientation droned on! Everyone was anxious to meet Virginia. Finally, after hours of drilling details of division legend and lore, a petite young girl in a powder blue dress stepped to the front of the bleachers and was introduced by the Donut Dollie in charge. “I would like you to meet our newest arrival – Miss Virginia Kirsch”. The new girl looked up at the assembled troops and simply said – “You can call me Ginny”.

Virginia (Ginny) Kirsch was born on December 2, 1948, in Erie, PA. She had four sisters and two brothers in her family. Her father was a co-owner of a men’s clothing store. Her mother was a high school English teacher. Ginny graduated from Brookfield High School in 1966 and from Miami University of Ohio in 1970. For a brief period, she taught English and Religion at Badin Senior High School in Hamilton, Ohio. In July of 1970, Ginny attended Red Cross training classes in Washington D.C. and arrived in Vietnam about two weeks later. After a brief period of orientation in Saigon, Ginny was ordered to report to the American Red Cross at Cu Chi.
The Donut Dollies

Red Cross Donut Dollie, Susan Bradshaw McLean
Donut Dollies were American Red Cross volunteers who had heard the nation’s call to serve their country at a time of war. They were young women with college degrees from all across America. At the request of the military, the Red Cross sent teams of young women to Vietnam to operate Red Cross Recreation Centers and to conduct audience-participation programs for men stationed in isolated sections of the country. Approximately 280 thousand servicemen took part in these recreation programs. The women traveled 27,000 miles by jeep, truck, airplane, and helicopter each month. Red Cross officials estimate that during the seven years the program was in operation, the women logged over two million miles.
A Bad Place To Be
The experience of Vietnam always began with the plane ride. Upon sight of the South China Sea and the coastline of Vietnam, all aboard became noticeably quiet. The wisecracks and bravado of the American GIs quickly subsided. In its place, soldiers came face-to-face with the stark reality that destiny now controlled their lives. The stewardesses, so playful and carefree early on, sat sullen in their landing seats and contemplated the soldiers’ fate. They had given their all to help these young men endure the ever-so-long flight. “They are in God’s hands now. Please protect them and bring them home safe and sound.”
There are two things that one remembers when the plane door opens. The first is the sledgehammer impact of stale, hot air on your face and skin. The open door instantly sucks all the cool air out of the cabin. The second sensation arrives the moment you step down the metal stairs to the runway. “What is that awful smell?” You are escorted with haste through a billowing black cloud to the awaiting transport. The sight you see is equal to the smell. A Vietnamese worker (or a disciplined GI) is hauling a burning oil drum across the tarmac. A nearby latrine has recently been relieved of its human waste, doused with JP4 jet fuel, and set ablaze. The pungent odor that permeates the nostrils and lungs is unforgettable to this day. Even without the war, Vietnam would be a dangerous place. The country is rife with snakes, spiders, mosquitoes, rats, and leeches. Its weather is either monsoon rain or dust bowl dry. The American GI quickly realizes that he doesn’t belong there. Even a Donut Dollie, emboldened with patriotism, has to question what the future holds.
Field Operations – August 15, 1970
Back in Cu Chi on the following day, Ginny and another girl headed out by helicopter to a Special Forces camp at a firebase near Katum. It was located within a few miles of the Cambodian border. It was Ginny’s first opportunity to do what she was there to do. She clowned around with the troops, posed for photographs and movie pictures, and generally made everyone just love her. She was in her element. It was an exhausting visit, but certainly a memorable one.
On the return flight to camp, the helicopter pilot received orders to visit an infantry platoon of the 25th Infantry on Nui Ba Den, (i.e. Black Virgin Mountain). At first, the troopers wanted no part of the fun and games that the girls had come to deliver. When the platoon leader in charge told Ginny that his men were not interested, Ginny asked the lieutenant to “just let her try”. After a quick hello and glow from her, the men were hooked. They welcomed her warmly and played her silly little games.
On the flight back to camp, the helicopter pilot asked her out for a date. She was caught off-guard with the unexpected attention. She was there for duty and country, not dates. But she did not want to rock the boat in her first week, so she nodded okay. They agreed to meet at the officers’ club that night. Ginny wondered what this unanticipated attention would do to her mission there.
Back In the World
In 1970, the United States military in Vietnam reflected an ever-changing mixture of soldiers rotating in and out of the country. With designated tours of 12 or 13 months, there were thousands of GIs on the move every day. You would see green troops arriving and brown troops departing each day of the year. For an American soldier, there was never a good day to arrive or a bad day to leave.
With the composition of the military in a continual state of flux, the problems of America at home were quickly reflected as problems for the military in Vietnam. Civilians with problems at home now became soldiers with problems at war. It should be no surprise that everything bad about America could be found in Vietnam.
Although the Vietnam War was in its late stages by 1970, the war machine continued to require fresh recruits to meet its operational requirements. The first troop withdrawals began in July of 1969, with an announced withdrawal of 40,000 expected by Christmas 1970. There were a number of factors that affected the quality of the new recruits. First and foremost would be the seismic shift in sentiment about the righteousness of the war. In the latter half of 1969, hundreds of thousands participated in antiwar demonstrations across the United States. The fateful culmination of national protest was the Kent State shootings on May 4, 1970. Ohio National Guardsmen fired on student protestors, killing four students and wounding nine others.
By the summer of 1970, there was little inclination for eligible military candidates to risk life and limb for what was, at best, a questionable cause. Inequities in the Selective Service System drove many of the best candidates to National Guard and Army Reserve enlistment. Many others fled to Canada. Some were coerced into enlistment by offers of favorable occupational specialties or training. All thoughts were to take whatever actions were necessary to avoid service in Vietnam. There were numerous reports of unethical recruiters offering enlistment deals that could not possibly be honored. Some recruits signed up for three-year Army enlistments in order to avoid jail time for petty crimes and misdemeanors. Others were promised occupational specialties for which they could not possibly qualify.
The US military in Vietnam was afflicted with all of the societal problems of America back home. Drug use in America had quickly evolved from recreational use to mainline addiction. Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin were premier performers at the Woodstock Festival in upstate New York in August of 1969. Marijuana and LSD were the refreshments of choice during those days. No one in attendance could have imagined that both Jimi and Janis would be dead of drug overdose by the end of the following year. Drug use, more than any other problem, had become a major destabilizing force to troop discipline and operational effectiveness in Vietnam.
Donut Dollies were not typical of the times. They were emboldened by Kennedy-era ideals about service to their country. They wanted to do something important. The Vietnam War was a noble cause fought by America’s noblest. What better place to make a difference in the world.
The Murder – August 16, 1970
The major was awakened with a shout. The enlisted man standing over him was frantic. “A Donut Dollie has been killed. An MP with a jeep will take you down to the morgue”.

The base camp was utter pandemonium. People were running. Lights were flashing. Sirens were blaring. Everything was moving much too fast. The girl’s name was Ginny. She had been in base camp only a day or two. How could this happen?
Official investigative reports of the homicide state that at approximately 3:50 AM, August 16 1970, an occupant of the American Red Cross billet observed a man run from the back door of Kirsch’s room. She entered Kirsch’s room and observed Kirsch on the floor with stab wounds to the throat, left side, left arm, and left finger. Kirsch was transported to the 25th Medical Battalion Dispensary and was pronounced dead from the stab wounds. She was not sexually molested. Kirsch’s remains were released to the 25th Infantry Division Graves Registration for medical examination.
There were two military policemen on duty at the time of the incident. One was on duty at a static post at the front gate to the billeting area. The other was on duty in the area and talking to the front gate guard when they observed a man force the rear gate of the billeting area open and escape. A US Army survival knife was found at the scene.
The witness at the scene described the fleeing subject as a male Caucasian, dark hair, 5’10”, 160 lbs., age approximately 23, wearing white t-shirt, white trousers, and a dark jacket.
The Suspects Roger A. Christian
On November 4, 1970, Christian was administered a polygraph examination. He showed deception. He then verbally admitted to crime investigators that, on the morning of August 16, 1970, he was high on heroin and looking for a place to sleep. He walked into some billets, a dark room, and was surprised by the occupant. Christian said that he remembered stabbing a girl with a knife and left the room.
On November 9, 1970, Christian was charged with unpremeditated murder.
On January 17, 1971, the eyewitness at the crime scene failed to identify Christian in a physical line-up at Ft. McPherson, Georgia.
On February 24, 1971, all charges were dismissed against Christian because of insufficient evidence and he was discharged from Army service.
Gregory W. Kozlowski
On the morning of August16, 1970, Kozlowski was found in possession of a tape recorder and camera which was stolen from the Red Cross billets between 1:00 – 3:50 AM that day. These items were the property of the witness at the crime scene who lived three doors from Ginny’s room. A few days later, Kozlowski became a murder suspect as well. On August 21, and again on August 25, Kozlowski was included in two line-ups. The eyewitness failed to identify him in each of those lineups.
Shortly thereafter, Kozlowski was medically evacuated to Japan with a diagnosis of mental illness. While the Army’s investigation was in progress, Kozlowski was placed on convalescent leave in the United States. He was granted immunity by the Commanding General, 25th Infantry Division, with respect to the larceny offense in order to provide possible information regarding the homicide.
On October 21, 1970, Kozlowski shot himself. After initial medical treatment, he was transferred to Letterman Army General Hospital, at the Presidio, San Francisco. Because there was evidence of mental illness, his case was referred to a medical board for psychiatric evaluation.
On January 9, 1971, this board determined that Kozlowski was unable to adhere to right and wrong at the time of the murder and, further, that he was unable to cooperate intelligently in his own defense. Because the latter finding precluded trial until he was able to cooperate in his defense and because the former effectively precluded conviction, the charges were dismissed by the convening authority. Meanwhile, further Army investigation had implicated Gregory Kozlowski in the Kirsch murder. On January17, 1971, the eye witness identified Kozlowski in a pictorial line-up as the person she saw leaving Kirsch’s room the morning of the murder.
A different medical board was convened to determine whether Kozlowski was fit to remain on active duty. It determined that he was not, and he was therefore placed on the Temporary Disabled Retired List and his medical records were transferred to the Veterans hospital at Wood, Wisconsin, where Kozlowski was sent for further inpatient care. The charges against Kozlowski were not dismissed because of any lack of evidence but rather because of his mental incompetence, both at the time of the incident and at the time charges were preferred. In view of the findings of the medical evaluation board, it was concluded that there was little else the Army could do with respect to Gregory Kozlowski.
The Dodge County Sheriff Edwin E. Nehls
On June 8, 1972, Gregory Kozlowski was arrested for the murder of Kenneth A. Glasse, 21 years old, of Milwaukee. On June 19, he was charged with first-degree murder and detained in Dodge County Jail under the jurisdiction of Sheriff Nehls. Later that evening, Kozlowski asked to speak with the sheriff on a matter of utmost urgency. Kozlowski admitted to the sheriff that he was guilty of another crime of homicide, the slaying of a Red Cross girl in Cu Chi, South Vietnam, on August 16, 1970.

Immediately after Kozlowski made the admission on June 19, the sheriff contacted military sources in Washington, who confirmed that on August 16, 1970, a Red Cross girl by the name of Virginia Kirsch had been stabbed to death in her bedroom at Cu Chi. Military sources revealed to the sheriff that no one had been convicted of the murder. However, they said they had suspects and that Kozlowski was a suspect in the Virginia Kirsch case. The sheriff informed the authorities that he had documented information in the Kirsch case, made by Kozlowski.
On September 6, military officials advised Sheriff Nehls that were closing the case, as they were convinced that Kozlowski was responsible for the death.
On September 19, Sheriff Nehls called Max Kirsch, father of Virginia Kirsch, in Brookfield, Ohio, and relayed the information to him. According to Mr. Kirsch, he had not been contacted by any other authority about the latest developments. The sheriff told Mr. Kirsch that he had held this vital information for the past three months and felt he had an obligation to advise Virginia Kirsch’s parents.
As regards the first-degree murder charge in the Glasse case, Kozlowski entered a plea of not guilty and not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. He subsequently underwent several rounds of mental examination, the results of which indicated to the Court that Kozlowski was capable of standing trial on the murder charge. Kozlowski was ultimately found to be mentally ill. He has spent his entire adult life in mental health institutions within the State of Wisconsin.
After years of treatment and therapy, the psychiatric doctors deemed Kozlowski to no longer be a threat to either himself or others. On January 22, 2008, the Circuit Court granted Kozlowski a conditional release to a group home in Milwaukee. There has been no further information regarding his whereabouts since that date.
Tragedy or Travesty
Virginia (Ginny) Kirsch loved her country. Ginny was quoted by the American Red Cross in Saigon as having said “I felt that I could do something for the men over here and for my country.”

The wanton loss of human life is an unwelcome product of war. There are always unintended consequences of military conflict. For the most part, the military goes to extraordinary lengths to account for all such events. We are well aware of detailed investigations of alleged atrocities or friendly fire. So why is it that a 21-year old civilian woman can be brutally murdered at Division Headquarters, in a billet protected by armed guards, and no one is held accountable? It took two and a half months to identify one suspect while another suspect was permitted to leave the country shortly after the murder. Was the US Army in Vietnam in such disarray at that time that it just dropped the ball? Or was there more to it than that?
There is no indication that the American Red Cross pressed the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV) to apprehend and prosecute Ginny’s killer. On the contrary, by all outward appearances, condolences were expressed, memorial services abroad and at home were held, and it was back to business as usual. If Ginny’s death had been an unfortunate accident, one could understand this response. But Ginny’s death was not an accident. It was murder! What was the organization’s responsibility to seek a full accounting of Ginny’s murder? How could this organization, in good conscience, continue to recruit, train, and send young women to Vietnam, knowing these women could not be adequately protected? What was their responsibility to the women who were already serving there? Sad isn’t it?
George F. Slook, E-5
4th Infantry Division
Pleiku and An Khe
1969-1970
This article originally appeared on: https://www.war-stories.com/donut-dollie-murder-of-ginny-kirsch-1970.htm
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Just recently asked a Vietnam veteran if he remembered the donut dollies. He did. Then continued with this little story, on how he was finger printed for the death of a dollie. He did the description. Which im sure a lot of kids there for that description. Long story short he didn’t have anything to do with it and said the donut dollies did wonders for the troops.
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He did the description was suppose to say. He fit the description
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“Still stands thine ancient sacrifice, a humble and a contrite heart; Lord God of Hosts be with us yet, LEST WE FORGET, LEST WE FORGET.” Poem by Rudyard Kipling. “At the going down of the SUN, and in the MORNING; WE WILL REMEMBER THEM, WE WILL REMEMBER THEM.” Yours Aye-Brian CANUCK Murza…Killick Vison, W.W.II Naval Researcher-Published Author, Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada.
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I was in Cu Chi when this happened. I remember hearing about it and if I remember they were looking for a suspect of a certain height and race. I believe I either left basecamp or perhaps was reassigned to the !st Air Cav soon after this and until now never heard any other details of incident.
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This is the first time I have ever heard of this. I was stationed at Long Binh in 68-69 and was gone by the time this took place but still never heard that something like this took place. So much stuff that happened in Vietnam was swept under the rug by our military and our government.
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… and so, 51 yrs later, nothing’s changed … business the same … as usual for this group of Democratic government employees …
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Long bien Jan-Dec 1970 was in Cu Chi many times an never heard about this, Prayers
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I was a chaplain’s assistant on duty the morning after the murder. The chaplain came into my hooch with a note I was supposed to write to someone (I forget to whom). The note was a shocker because I couldn’t believe that a Donut Dollie was actually murdered not 50 yards from where I was sleeping. The story seemed bizarre at the time…a murder in a war zone? Really? It was my job to write condolence letters to parents whose sons had died the day before, but I was not assigned to write one for Ginny. I revisit this story about every 5 years, and my sadness for the family remains.
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Hi Paul. I’m a journalist writing about Ginny and the investigation into her murder. What a terribly difficult but meaningful job you had. Would you be interested in speaking with me? I would be grateful for your input. You can email me at forginnyk@gmail.com. Thank you.
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Hi Michelle, I really can’t add anything more than what I wrote.
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Thanks, Paul.
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Understood. Thanks anyway, Paul.
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I was Army stationed on Phan Rang Airbase in the begining of 71. We were lucky enough to have a Red Cross center on base. It was great to see American girls, a real Morale booster ! Thank you to all that supported that program. Sorry to hear about the Bad experiences that they faced. THANKS AGAIN !
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I’m Gary Bateman. Who are you? What is your role in this travesty? If you don’t know me you’re firing from the hip. Maybe Clueless
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I worked in the Red Cross SRAO office (Supplemental Recreational Activities Overseas) office in Saigon from March 1970-March 1971. That’s the group referred to as Donut Dollies (a term from WWII and Korea when donuts and coffee were served along with programming at clubs and in the field.) A co-worker and I were told to take care of the woman who was the eyewitness to Ginny’s murder when they brought her to Saigon for several days. Throughout the years SRAO operated in Vietnam, women were subject to harassment and rape. The screen above my bed was cut one night as I slept. The individual who did so took off when other residents returned to the BOQ (Bachelor Officers Quarters.) I did numerous interviews years ago of SRAO women, several of whom mentioned feeling unsafe in their living quarters. The Red Cross and the military were not particularly diligent at times regarding safety. The majority of enlisted men and officers WERE concerned with our well-being, appreciative of our efforts, and respectful during our encounters. Unfortunately, some women did not report harassment or assaults, and when they did, there were times their reporting was quashed or they were gaslighted. And we know that still exists.
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Hi Carol. I’m a journalist writing about Ginny and the investigation into her murder. Would you be interested in speaking with me? I’ve interviewed several Donut Dollies, including the eye witness you mentioned spending time with in Saigon. I would be grateful for your input. You can email me at forginnyk@gmail.com. Thank you.
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Michelle, you need to say much more beyond the statement that you are a journalist writing about Ginny Kirsch. What kind of a journalist? For what publication(s)? Examples of what you’ve written? Why are you writing about Ginny? For what publication(s)? What is the purpose/slant of your story?
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Hi Carol. Thanks for your questions. You’re absolutely right. My background is as a magazine editor, and now I’m a freelancer. If you wouldn’t mind sending me an email, I’d be happy to reply with more details about my credentials, my connection to Ginny, and why I want to tell her story. Thanks again.
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Hi Carol, I’m Gary Bateman. I was the lead military policeman on that Dreadful night of Ginny’s murder. Something tells me you are a doughnut dolly and was in the sleeping quarters August 16th 1970. But I could be wrong. If I’m wrong, sorry for bothering you
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I was at Cu Chi when this happened. We were next door at the Air Force officers hooch for a get together. My roommate, Larry, was one of the first on the scene and spotted someone running away and rushed inside and found what had happened. He tried CPR but it was too late. The Military Police kept Larry for hours trying to get as much information as possible from him before finally releasing him. The base was closed for days with no air or ground traffic in or out. Pretty awful occurrence and hard to forget.
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I was on Nui Ba Ra when this happened and had never heard a word about it until reading this article. Of course, I was in the 1st Cav and there was little interaction between personnel in different divisions. It makes me sad and angry at the same time. I had little contact with Donut Dollies, but found them to be sweet and caring. Honestly, I didn’t think they should be on forward bases, but I admired their courage for volunteering to come to a war zone in an attempt to lift our spirits. This should never have happened and it sounds as though the Army’s investigation was not one of its finest hours. I honor and salute you Ginny!
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I was in Viet Nam in July 69 to July 70, stationed in I Corp , 101st Airborne Division.
I was a Infantry 1st LT when I arrived and during my first 4 months I had many duties, including investigating the deaths of 4 soldiers, who were killed by another soldier, using their M-16. Another situation was 2 enlisted aircrew men settled their differences in quick draw shoot out , both dropped dead where they stood. I had never herd or read about the murder of the Red Cross Donut Dolley . The article was very informative and thanks for sharing .
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Ed Nehls was our sheriff(Dodge County Wi.)
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Good article, tragic event
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It is a sad commentary on something that happened fifty years ago, let’s hope it has improved.
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I spent two years in Vietnam, never saw a doughnut dolly come out to us but once, and we were in ChuLai at the time. I was working nights, and was in the company area, believe it or not, we could smell the perfume! By the time we got down to the hangar they were gone. Usually nurses and Doughnut Dollies were in the company of officers or Warrant Officers, so our contact with any female was pretty restricted. We weren’t allowed off post either, so leave and R&R were about the only time we were even close to females. Knowing this, I’m sure the good ole boy system of the military would automatically assume the worst by its officers and do its best to cover them. Lesser Army personnel they would easily throw to the dogs, but late in the game, my guess is they had enough bad news to contend with, they didn’t need more, so protecting mentally challenged soldiers so they wouldn’t see the headlines pointing in the direction of Vietnam would have been all the reason they needed to cover it up. My time in service never gave me the feeling you could ever expect justice as an enlisted man, and the assumption would always be you were guilty until proven innocent. How this poor unfortunate girl was treated is sad, but the collusion between the Army and the Red Cross appears to be unwritten policy or more would comment about different things they saw, but that appears to
not be the case.
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Not sure I understand your reference to collusion between the Army and Red Cross. We were there for the enlisted men. Our programs were based on quiz show programs and we flew out to fire bases and units out in the field to program to the men there. Larger bases had recreation centers. Our main goal was to bring a touch of home to our men where ever they were and where ever the military felt we were needed. I am sorry you did not have the opportunity to see us program. There were only 627 of us over a 6 year period of time. I am sorry you had such a negative feeling about the military, but can understand that. Just wanted to clarify what our program was. We were not, ever, officer’s property. In fact most of our escorts were enlisted.
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Hi Penni. Served as 11B with the 101st out of Camp Eagle 1969-70. Although I never got to enjoy the Red Cross donut program (we were afield more or less 24/7 except for some brief FSB perimeter guard duty now and again) nevertheless, I did see a couple of your gals one single time. Unfortunately, we were just departing our CP located at a bridge on highway one for our nightly ambush patrol when they arrived at the CP! At the time I wasn’t even aware of “Donut Dollies” and I remember wondering what these girls were doing out there. Well, at least we did get the opportunity to give them a wave! And we surely appreciated y’all being there. Just as a side note, later on I did have the momentary opportunity to speak a few words with that year’s Miss America who also was out there to visit with us grunts! Thank you so much for your service in that awful place! The Good Lord bless you for it.
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I am a Vietnam Veteran who was a Donut Dollie. I was scheduled to go to Cu Chi the day of Ginny’s murder. This account is far more information than I have ever read. I was one of the four women who re-opened CuChi in October 1970. Ginny’s room was off limits due to the fact it had not been cleaned/cleared out. I was there when CID brought a soldier in and I over heard the conversation – he claimed he could not remember as he was high on drugs, he did not remember anything but that he thought he had come into our billet that night. Later heard a GI had been arrested and that the 25th could go back to Hawaii with its head held high. We began to close down the unit in November, planning to close it out when another Donut Dollie and I went on R&R to Australia and returned to Cu Chi. Unfortunately the 25th Division wanted the unit closed down while we were on R&R. Someone from Saigon Red Cross Headquarters came out and cleared out our rooms – which had padlocks in a hasp I had installed on our door to our rooms. My small desk/dresser had the top drawer locked so they just left it. In it were letters from home, a letter from Ginny and others in the unit welcoming me to Cu Chi, jewelry, a 25th plastic wallet, spare ID, dog tags, journal, photos. So I never went back to Cu Chi, but rather went on to my next unit in Quang Tri. For years, I felt guilty for not being there that night. I was invited for a farewell party with the Caribou squadron at CRAB so I opted for an early morning flight instead of an evening flight. I had the honor and pleasure of meeting Ginny’s family in 1993 when I went to Washington DC for the dedication of the Vietnam Women’s Memorial. And I was told by them not to feel guilty, that being there would not have changed anything. I do not like the idea that her murderer is free, even wearing an ankle bracelet and living in a somewhat controlled environment. Ginny is one year younger than I am – I celebrated my 23rd birthday in Sydney Dec. 1, 1970. It has been 51 one years since that day but every August I think of her. And wish I had known her.
May I share this article with my Donut Dollie group???
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yes, you can share my comments.
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By all means, Penni.
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Welcome Home Sister! regards, Alemaster
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Penni, This is such a sad story that is so close to your heart. Please be assured that you are respected and admired for your service as is the Donut Dolly group as a whole. You served and accomplished your mission as we all did. Thank you for that, and welcome home! Robert Kuhn
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Penny, I am Gary Bateman. I was the lead MP at the doughnut Dolly quarters August 16th 1970. Jenny being nude made it 100 times worse. Were you there on that dreadful night?
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No Gary I was still at Cam Rahn Air Base scheduled to go to Cu Chi in the morning. I was one of the four who reopened the unit in October. For many years I felt guilty I was not there but have been able to let that go. My being there would not have made a difference. It was horrible but I thank you for your service. The hooch was vulnerable if someone really wanted to get in.
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Penny, Would you care to chat privately by email ?
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Penny, Would you care to chat privately by email ?
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Great article, very well written.
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I’m horrified and disgusted how our military handled this,I served in Nam from late 69 to early 71, I only got to interact with a few “donut dollies”during my tour,but they were always very much appreciated as a link to normalcy,in that chaotic time,we were all thrust into,I am so sorry to hear about Ginny,I am also from Pa.,so this really strikes home to read this story!
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In 1969 I slept next to the room where this murder was committed. On my watch a member of our unit was raped with a knife at her throat in this same hooch. Fortunately she was strong enough and mentally healthy enough to survive this attack without lasting damage. The army did not acquit themselves well in this situation. We all lost faith in the MP’s after they brushed it off as she probably slept with her boyfriend and decided to call rape for reasons that nobody could make sense of. Some of us came away with very cynical and bad feelings about this experience not only about the rapist but about the way the military handled it. We deserved better. So did Ginny.
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Hi Cindy. I’m a journalist writing about Ginny and the investigation into her murder. Would you be interested in speaking with me? I’ve interviewed several Donut Dollies and women who worked with Special Services. I would be grateful for your input. You can email me at forginnyk@gmail.com. Thank you.
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I was in the 25 MP the night this happened. I just got off guarding the Generals Headquarters about 200 feet away from the incident.
A line was formed the width of the base. We searched everything from one end of the base to the other. Cu Chi was supposed to be 2 miles by 3 miles.
I have a composite drawing of the person seen leaving her living area.
It was believed that the person was on drugs and left the base by helicopter immediately after the incident.
Supposedly, 10 confessed to the murder with one person dying after the confession.
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I never heard a out this. I was stationed in Cu Chi with the 25th AVN Bn from January to August 10th 1970. I left before it happened. I used to take Doughnut Dollies to fire support basses. They mentioned a lot to us troops.
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Awesome article , was over there in nam sep. 70-sep 71 1st/12th cav. retired Msg. Paul Green
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Well written and infprmative
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