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17 wild facts about the Vietnam War

For those against the war, it appeared to be a meat grinder for draftees, unfairly targeting the poor, the uneducated, and minorities.

For those in favor of the war and those who served in the military at the time, the American public and media were (and still are) misled about what happened during the war and so feel betrayed by many at home (Jane Fonda is the enduring symbol of the cultural schism).

The facts not in dispute by either side are just as harrowing: Over 20 years, more than 58,000 Americans were killed in Vietnam and more than 150,000 wounded, not to mention the emotional toll the war took on American culture.

The war ended the Presidency of Lyndon Johnson and left a lasting impression on Richard Nixon’s. It was the backbone to the most tumultuous period in American history since before the Civil War one century prior.

The other facts are not so clear. We are at the fifty year mark for the start of the war, so soon more and more government documents from the period will be declassified. We will learn a great deal about this time in American history. Right now, however, the misinformation, cover-ups, and confusion about Vietnam still pervade our national consciousness. Right now, we can only look back at the war and take stock of what we know was real and what was B.S. from day one.

1. The U.S. first got involved in Vietnam in 1954

Sort of. The official line is the United States sent only supplies and advisors before 1965. Looking back before the fall of French Indochina, Vietnam’s colonial name, the end of World War II saw a briefly independent Democratic Republic of Vietnam under President Ho Chi Minh. Minh even gave a nod to the visiting American OSS agents by paraphrasing the Declaration of Independence in his own Independence speech: “All men are created equal. The Creator has given us certain inviolable rights, the right to life, the right to be free, and the right to achieve happiness.”

Almost as soon as Minh realized the Western allies were going to restore French rule, Chinese advisors and Soviet equipment began to flow to North Vietnamese guerillas. After the Vietnamese Gen. Võ Nguyên Giáp handed the French their asses at Dien Bien Phu, the French left and Vietnam would be split in two. In 1954, an insurgency sprang up, but was quelled by the government of the new South Vietnam, led by Ngô Dình Diem. Unfortunately, Diem was as dictatorial as Ho Chi Minh and as Catholic as the Spanish Inquisition.

2. U.S. and South Vietnamese Presidents were shot in 1963, and this would be significant

They were also both Catholic, but that’s where the similarities end. This also may be the death of coherent containment strategy in the country. Diem was shot in an armored personnel carrier on November 2, 1963. At the time, there were 16,000 U.S. advisors in Vietnam. President Kennedy was said to be shocked at the news. Then-Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara said he “had never seen the President more upset.” Both men knew the U.S. government was responsible “to some degree.”

The Pentagon Papers leak explicitly stated the U.S. clandestinely maintained contact with Diem over-throwers and the U.S. government gave the generals in Vietnam the green light to start planning a coup. Twenty days later, Kennedy would himself be shot in the back of a vehicle.

Ngo Dinh Diem vietnam president 1963Department of Defense via Wikimedia Commons  Ngo Dinh Diem

3. Kennedy wanted to get the U.S. military out of Vietnam but couldn’t figure out how

President Kennedy was a fervent believer in the policy of containment and believed in the Domino Theory, but not so much as to wage unending war with the Communists in Vietnam. During his Presidency, he and McNamara actively pursued a way to leave Vietnam, while still maintaining their commitment to a free South through financial support and training. Kennedy wanted all U.S. personnel out by the end of 1965.

Many people refute this theory using a quote Kennedy gave Walter Cronkite: “These people who say we ought to withdraw from Vietnam are totally wrong, because if we withdrew from Vietnam, the communists would control… all of Southeast Asia… then India, Burma would be next.” The only problem with this quote is while Kennedy was in office, there was no open warfare in Vietnam and U.S. involvement was limited. Their strategy was to bring the North to heel using strategic bombing and limited ground attacks. Recordings between Kennedy and McNamara were since released to attest to their efforts in getting out of Vietnam.

Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara pointing to a map of Vietnam at a press conference

Library of CongressSecretary of Defense Robert McNamara pointing to a map of Vietnam at a press conference

4. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident only sort of happened.

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident is the catalyst for the escalation of American action in Vietnam. It refers to two incidents in August 1964. On August 2, the destroyer USS Maddox was shelled by NVA torpedo boats. The Maddox responded by firing over 280 rounds in return. There was no official response from the Johnson Administration.

The pressure mounted however, with members of the military, both in and out of uniform, implying Johnson was a coward. On August 4th the second incident was said to have happened, but Secretary McNamara admitted in Errol Morris’ 2003 documentary The Fog of War the second attack never occurred. The Pentagon Papers even implied the Maddox fired first in an effort to keep the Communists a certain distance away.

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       Youtube / Sony Pictures ClassicsStill from Erroll Morris’ 2003 documentary “the Fog of War”

The resulting Gulf of Tonkin resolution passed by the U.S. Congress allowed Johnson to deploy conventional (ground) U.S. troops and operate in a state of open but undeclared war against North Vietnam.

5. The U.S. didn’t lose the war on the ground

But we didn’t win every battle, either. The North Vietnamese Army (NVA) can’t be faulted for lack of dedication, patriotism, or leadership. NVA Gen. Võ Nguyên Giáp orchestrated successive defeats of the Japanese and the French. Even Death had a hard time finishing off Giáp – he lived to 102. It also can’t be faulted for a lack of organization. The NVA was a professional fighting force, organized under Soviet guidance. The VC were forced to use inferior equipment because the Chinese would swipe the good weapons and replace them with cheap Chinese knockoffs.

NVA Troops with Chinese SAM launcher

                                         USAF via Wikimedia CommonsNVA Troops with Chinese SAM launcher

Outmanned and outgunned, the NVA was beaten by U.S. troops in nearly every major battle. The myth of the U.S. never losing a single battle inexplicably persists (unless you were stationed at Fire Support Base Ripcord, outnumbered 10-to-1 for 23 days in 1970). Not as improbable, no U.S. unit ever surrendered in Vietnam.

Despite initial victories, the infamous Tet Offensive was a major defeat for the Communists. It resulted in the death of some 45,000 NVA troops and the decimation of Viet Cong elements in South Vietnam. The Tet Offensive succeeded on only one front: the media (more on that later). Saigon fell on April 30, 1975, two years after the Paris Peace Accords and after the American military left Vietnam. The last American troops departed in their entirety on March 29, 1973.

6. The M-16 sucked so hard, U.S. troops preferred the AK-47

Gen. William Westmoreland, Commander of U.S. Forces in Vietnam, replaced the M-14 rifle with the new M-16 as the standard issue infantry rifle in the middle of 1966. There was no fanfare. The first generation of the M-16 rifle was an awful mess with a tendency to experience a “failure to extract” jam in the middle of a firefight. They sucked so hard, the Army was hammered by Congress in 1967 for delivering such a terrible rifle system and then failing to properly train troops to use it.

MP Inspects Captured AK 47 Vietnam us troopsUS Army Heritage and Education Center via Wikimedia CommonsAn MP inspects a captured AK 47 in 1968 Vietnam.

So what to do? Pick up the enemy’s weapon. We already talked about why the AK-47 is so widely used. It’s better than dying for lack of shooting back. In Vietnam, an underground market developed among troops who didn’t trust their M-16. “Q: Why are you carrying that rifle, Gunny?” “A: Because it works.”

7. The Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN) — aka South Vietnam — wasn’t all bad

The ARVN troops get mixed reviews from the Americans who fought with them. Most judge ARVN units on their leadership, which was definitely mixed. In the end, the South Vietnamese ran out of fuel, ammunition and other supplies because of a lack of support from the U.S. Congress in 1975, while the North Vietnamese were very well supplied by China and the Soviet Union.

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US military via Wikimedia CommonsARVN Rangers defend Saigon during the Tet Offensive.

8. The North Vietnamese Air Force was actually a pretty worthy adversary

Vietnam-era pilot and Hanoi Hilton POW was once asked on a Reddit AMA how good the NVAF fighter pilots were. His response: “The got me, didn’t they?” This is anecdotal evidence, but more exists. The Navy’s Top Gun strike fighter tactics school was founded to respond to the loss rate of 1 aircraft for every thousand sorties during Operation Rolling Thunder, a lot considering the combined 1.8 million sorties flown over Vietnam.

Nguyen Van Coc north vietnam pilot                            We Are The Mighty  The NVAF’s top ace, Nguyen Van Coc

At war’s end, the top ace in North Vietnam had nine kills, compared to the U.S.’ top ace, who had six. The U.S. could only boast three aces (ace status requires at least five air-to-air kills), while the NVAF boasted 17.

9. It wasn’t only the U.S. and South Vietnam

Australia and New Zealand also fought in Vietnam, but the largest contingent of anti-Communist forces came from South Korea. Korean President Syngman Rhee wanted to send troops to help the Vietnamese as early as 1954. More than 300,000 Korean troops would fight in Vietnam, inflicting more than 41,000 casualties, while massacring almost 5,000 Vietnamese civilians.

vietnam water drums outpost phillip kemp rok 9th infantry  Phillip Kemp via Wikimedia Commons Soldiers of the ROK 9th Infantry Division in Vietnam.      

10. The draft didn’t unfairly target the working class or minorities

The demographics of troops deployed to Vietnam were close to a reflection of the demographics of the U.S. at the time. 88.4% of troops deployed to Vietnam were Caucasian, 10.6% were African-American and 1% were of other races. The 1970 census estimated the African-American population of the U.S. at 11%.

booby trap medic vietnamU.S. Information Agency via Wikimedia CommonsWhite phosporus booby trap casualty treated by medic in Vietnam 1966.

76% of those who served did come from working-class backgrounds but this was a time when most troops had at least a high school education, compared with enlisted men of wars past, among whom only half held a high school diploma. Wealthier families could enroll in college for a draft deferment, but even so …

11. A majority of the men who fought in Vietnam weren’t drafted — they volunteered

More than three-quarters of the men who fought in Vietnam volunteered to join the military. Of the roughly 8.7 million troops who served in the military between 1965 and 1973, only 1.8 million were drafted. 2.7 million of those in the military fought in Vietnam at this time. Only 25% of that 2.7 million were drafted and only 30% of the combat deaths in the war were draftees.

viet5                                                  Wikimedia Commons  An anti-war protest in New York City.

12. The war was not exclusively a jungle war

At the start, the South and allied forces were fighting Viet Cong insurgents in the jungle, but as time wore on, the battles became more set piece, complete with tanks and artillery. For example in 1972, the NVA Eastertide Offensive was the largest land movement since the Chinese entered the Korean War, crossing the Yalu river. The Eastertide Offensive was a planned, coordinated three-pronged invasion of the South, consisting of 12 divisions.

vietnam helicopter m16 m 16 troops us troops operation frequent windU.S. Marines via Wikimedia Commons United States Marine Private First Class Forrest M. Turner, Jr. provides security as Sikorsky CH-53 helicopters land at the Defense Attaché Office compound.

13. The Vietnam War was only sort of lost in the American media

The most famous quote attributed to President Johnson (aside from “Frank, are you trying to F–k me?” and “I do not seek and will not accept the nomination of my party for another term as President”) is “If I’ve lost Walter Cronkite, I’ve lost Middle America.” Whether or not he actually said this is only important to fans of Walter Cronkite, who was then considered the most trusted man in America.

Until 1968, much of the American media was widely a mouthpiece for American policy and not one newspaper suggested disengagement from Vietnam. But things would get worse. A 1965 Gallup poll showed only 28% of Americans were against the war, 37% in 1967, 50% in 1968, 58% in 1969, In 1971, Gallup stopped asking. The 1968 Tet Offensive is what led Cronkite to see the war as “unwinnable.” Veterans of Vietnam widely attribute the success of the Tet Offensive as a success only in the media. The media they’re referring to is Walter Cronkite.

walter cronkite in vietnamU.S. National Archives and Records Administration via Wikimedia Commons – Walter Cronkite and a CBS Camera crew use a jeep for a dolly during an interview with the commanding officer.

Yet, it’s not that cut and dry. A 1986 analysis of the media and Vietnam found the reporting of the Tet Offensive actually rallied American media to the Vietnam War effort. The Tet Offensive was a defining moment in public trust of the government reports on the progress of the war. Americans had no idea the VC were capable of infiltrating allied installations the way they did and many were unaware of the extent of the brutality and tactics of the war, but the Tet Offensive allowed American television cameras to record the bombing of cities and the execution of prisoners of war.

The tide of public opinion turned “for complex social and political reasons” and the media began to reflect that, according to the Los Angeles Times. “In short, the media did not lead the swing in public opinion; they followed it.”

New York Times White House correspondent Tom Wicker remarked: “We had not yet been taught to question the President.” Maybe the turn in public opinion had more to do with fatigue surrounding almost a decade of body counts and draft lotteries.

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U.S. National Archives and Records Administration via Wikimedia Commons Walter Cronkite of CBS interviewing Professor Mai of the University of Hue.

14. Richard Nixon ended the war — but invaded Cambodia first

President Nixon’s “Vietnamization” strategy involved a gradual drawdown of U.S. troops, and a bolstering of ARVN forces with modern equipment, technology, and the training to use it. It also involved plans to help garner support for the Saigon government in the provinces and strengthen the government’s political positions.

In 1970, he authorized incursions into Cambodia and massive bombings of Cambodia and Laos to keep pressure on the North while Vietnamization began. This prompted massive public protests in the United States. As U.S. troop numbers dwindled (69,000 in 1972), NVA attacks like the 1972 Eastertide Offensive showed the overall weakness of ARVN troops.

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                                                               Richard Nixon Foundation

15. Vietnam Veterans are not mostly crazy, homeless, drug users

There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group. 97% of Vietnam vets hold honorable discharges and 85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life. The unemployment rate for Vietnam vets was only 4.8% in 1987, compared to the 6.2% rate for the rest of America.

Screen Shot 2015 07 23 at 10.08.27 AM                        Youtube / Paramount Pictures  The truth is less like Lt. Dan, more like Gary Sinise.

16. The Communists do not still hold POW/MIAs

Many cite “evader signals’ on satellite imagery of Vietnam as evidence of the continued imprisonment of American prisoners of war (POW). If POWs were still held in 1973, it is very likely they are long since dead. Those hypothetical withheld POWs who did not die of old age would never be repatriated to the U.S.

More than 600 MIA suddenly found in Hanoi would be very difficult to explain. The fact is, North Vietnam had no reason to continue to hold American captives. The Americans would not return and the North violated the Paris Accords anyway.

17. Today, most Vietnamese people see the U.S. very favorably

It’s true.

This article was written by Blake Stilwell, and posted on the website: We Are The Mighty , Jul. 23, 2015

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28 thoughts on “17 wild facts about the Vietnam War

  1. Very good article I enjoyed it. Learned a couple of things by reading the whole article that I didn’t know. Served from Aug 1965 to Oct 1966 246th Psy Ops under the 5th Special forces group.

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  2. Sucks. VN was JFK war. He sent. @ 17,000 US troops to Nam between April 1961 and Mid 1963 calling them Advisors. When LBJ sent @ 2000 troops over the lies of the Gulf of Tonkin that put troops total Close to 20,000 US troops. LBJ was covering up accusations that he was involved in JFKs assassination. JFK was a disgraceful president for a Catholic. Nothing but a war mongering mafia elected whore dog paid for by criminal poppa Joe. An ambassador booze runner. Kennedy’s were nothing but junkies-alcoholics-whore dogs and murdering rapist.

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  3. Being a Marine Corps Vietnam Veteran it explains a lot about the lies, poor decisions the truth about why we were really there. I am extremely mad at our government for not supporting the United States troops who served in Vietnam when they returned home.

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  4. The volunteer percentage is not correct. We were carried to recruiting offices on bases at our basic training centers and told we would get the job we wanted if we volunteered for more years. This basically did not happen. So they looked like volunteers, but were not. I was drafted and did my two years for my country and I am still proud of it. A large percentage of my platoon volunteered for more and went to Vietnam more times. They did not get their new job. Many were killed or wounded.

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  5. Your point #11 about draft versus volunteered is off somewhat by lots of guys like me. I learned from high school friends whose fathers were military officers that drafting meant the Army chose what you were used for, not you. But if you enlist you choose your own speciality. So when i got my draft notice i quickly enlisted. I still served in Vietnam but never regretted my 4-year enlistment choice.

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  6. great article.
    However, you missed that Bob Garwood was a POW and came out of N. Vietnam in 1979 or so and the US Govt prosecuted (persecuted) him as a deserter.
    You can draw your own conclusions on that.


  7. Concerning the NVA air war I never saw an enemy plane and I served 3 tours in Vietnam. Most of the US planes were shot down by anti-aircraft guns, not NVA planes.


    1. The NVA planes rarely, if ever, ventured below the DMZ. They did account for a good number of our planes shot down on all the sorties the US planes flew over NV, Cambodia and Laos. They were not slouches.


  8. I have read that Pres Johnson had the North on the ropes with his bombing campaign, and the North was ready for Peace Talks. But presidential candidate Nixon told the North to wait until he was President Nixon and he would give them a better deal. Any known truth to this ? As it cost a lot of American lives between 1968 and 1972. I was there part of 69-71.


  9. When I entered the war in 69 the M-16 was well sorted out and training was up to snuff, we never had any problems with ours, but did a religiously regular job of care and cleaning. In my grit time 69-70 with B-2/7 cab, 1st Cav Div., I never saw a failure of the M-16. I carried a M-14 fr potential long shots that I figured out were not materializing in III Corps, so went to an M-79, and after awhile to an M-16. Man, I could carry a butt load of ammo! And still hit targets (NVA) out to 400-500 meters!

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    1. Wayne you don’t seem to understand that Vietnam was a single country they didn’t split the country it was split by outside interests,do you believe that US Generals and politicians should have been tried for using agent orange and cluster bombs

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  10. #5 – “But we didn’t win every battle, either.”

    HORSEFEATHERS! We won at Firebase Ripcord and everywhere else for twelve years despite overwhelming odds against us.


    1. Lee you were a grunt so how do you know if a battle was won or lost,off course if you supported that body count garbage you were DEAD” wrong.I did my time in Vietnam also and we enlisted folks knew nothing except what we were told it was a very small world for us

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  11. We didn’t use AK47s.

    It was at the 101st Airborne’s Jungle Combat and Survival School in Phan Rang in June 1966 that I was issued an M-16. We went to a range to fire for qualification. I had fired expert with every weapon I ever qualified with, and the M-16 was no exception. I fired three rounds and was within less than a quarter inch of scoring a Ballantine. Once the training NCO saw that he told me I could hit anything in Vietnam.

    I much preferred the M16 to the M14 for jungle combat. The AK47 is okay if you just want to spray and pray, but that M16 was precious to me. There was some jamming early on, but we just assembled our cleaning rods and taped them to weapon. If we had a jam, we could clear it quickly. I never experienced that problem, and the Army resolved it quickly.

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  12. Your #14: “As U.S. troop numbers dwindled (69,000 in 1972), NVA attacks like the 1972 Eastertide Offensive showed the overall weakness of ARVN troops.”

    After the Treaty of Paris was concluded, following the dictates of the treaty, we withdrew our forces. The ARVN troops kicked ass for three years after we left.

    The Communists, of course, immediately violated the treaty they’d just signed. The Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN) successfully defended their country until our wonderful Congress cut off all funding in 1975. They would not even allow the South to purchase replacement parts for the equipment we’d sold to them in prior years.

    In response, the USSR and Communist China doubled their aid to the North, and South Vietnam fell.


  13. Obviously winning on the battlefield was not enough.

    We never lost a battle during twelve years of fighting in Vietnam. We slaughtered the enemy during Tet 68, but Walter Cronkite lied to America and to the world. He betrayed our fighting men and women when he painted Tet as a defeat for America. Giap was ready to throw in the towel, but when he saw our media and listened to our scumbag Congress creatures, he knew it was just a matter of waiting us out.

    And he was right.

    Because of Walter Cronkite and his robotic and moronic minions of the media, the war continued another four years and tens of thousands of additional GIs were needlessly killed by the enemy. The blood of those American young men and women is on the hands of scumbags like Walter Cronkite, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Jane Fonda.

    You want to win a war? First, remove all reporters from our areas of operation. There is absolutely nothing they can tell us that is of any value to anyone but the enemy. Second, eliminate rules of engagement: in time of war, the objective is to kill the enemy and destroy his assets until the enemy no longer has the means to fight. It’s a job. Get it done. Keep the sissies out of the way.

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    1. Sorry Lee but you sound a lot like those no nothing Generals who lead the US Forces,we lost the war because we attempted to win a guerrilla war using WW2 tactics,the technique of the Cong and NVA was not to engage in large battles but to continually run small scale hit and run ambushes and simply keep the war going on long enough for the US to lose interest,which is what happened after all they were the home team and they weren’t going anywhere

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  14. Kennedy gave us the mission statement: stop the spread of communism in Southeast Asia. We did so magnificently for twelve years until we had to leave in 1972 because of the Treaty of Paris. The South Vietnamese held off the treaty-violating commies for three years until our gutless politicians cut off all funding to them.

    The first American to fall while serving with an active combat unit was James. T. Davis, a member of the 3rd Radio Research Unit (cover name for Army Security Agency). He died in 1961. He was not an “advisor.” He was an active combatant.


  15. Seeing the picture of Fonda was the only downside to this article, I can only hope that you don’t post anymore of the traitorous swine!


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