A friend, Steve Lepley, posted this onto a FB fan page that I frequent. It is copyrighted 1996 by Dan Mouer, All Rights Reserved. It is a great read that I’d like to share with you all…
A college student posted a request on an internet newsgroup asking for personal narratives from the likes of us addressing the question: “What is a Vietnam Veteran?” This is what I wrote back:
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Vietnam veterans are men and women. We are dead or alive, whole or maimed, sane or haunted. We grew from our experiences or we were destroyed by them or we struggle to find some place in between. We lived through hell or we had a pleasant, if scary, adventure. We were Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Red Cross, and civilians of all sorts. Some of us enlisted to fight for God and Country, and some were drafted. Some were gung-ho, and some went kicking and screaming.
Like veterans of all wars, we lived a tad bit–or a great bit–closer to death than most people like to think about. If Vietnam vets differ from others, perhaps it is primarily in the fact that many of us never saw the enemy or recognized him or her. We heard gunfire and mortar fire but rarely looked into enemy eyes. Those who did, like folks who encounter close combat anywhere and anytime, are often haunted for life by those eyes, those sounds, those electric fears that ran between ourselves, our enemies, and the likelihood of death for one of us. Or we get hard, calloused, tough. All in a day’s work. Life’s a bitch then you die. But most of us remember and get twitchy, worried, sad.
We are crazies dressed in cammo, wide-eyed, wary, homeless, and drunk. We are Brooks Brothers suit wearers, doing deals downtown. We are housewives, grandmothers, and church deacons. We are college professors engaged in the rational pursuit of the truth about the history or politics or culture of the Vietnam experience. And we are sleepless. Often sleepless.
We pushed paper; we pushed shovels. We drove jeeps, operated bulldozers, built bridges; we toted machine guns through dense brush, deep paddy, and thorn scrub. We lived on buffalo milk, fish heads and rice. Or C-rations. Or steaks and Budweiser. We did our time in high mountains drenched by endless monsoon rains or on the dry plains or on muddy rivers or at the most beautiful beaches in the world.
We wore berets, bandanas, flop hats, and steel pots. Flak jackets, canvas, rash and rot. We ate cloroquine and got malaria anyway. We got shots constantly but have diseases nobody can diagnose. We spent our nights on cots or shivering in foxholes filled with waist-high water or lying still on cold wet ground, our eyes imagining Charlie behind every bamboo blade. Or we slept in hotel beds in Saigon or barracks in Thailand or in cramped ships’ berths at sea.
We feared we would die or we feared we would kill. We simply feared, and often we still do. We hate the war or believe it was the best thing that ever happened to us. We blame Uncle Sam or Uncle Ho and their minions and secretaries and apologists for every wart or cough or tic of an eye. We wonder if Agent Orange got us.
Mostly–and this I believe with all my heart–mostly, we wish we had not been so alone. Some of us went with units; but many, probably most of us, were civilians one day, jerked up out of “the world,” shaved, barked at, insulted, humiliated, de-egoized and taught to kill, to fix radios, to drive trucks. We went, put in our time, and were equally ungraciously plucked out of the morass and placed back in the real world. But now we smoked dope, shot skag, or drank heavily. Our wives or husbands seemed distant and strange. Our friends wanted to know if we shot anybody.
And life went on, had been going on, as if we hadn’t been there, as if Vietnam was a topic of political conversation or college protest or news copy, not a matter of life and death for tens of thousands.
Vietnam vets are people just like you. We served our country, proudly or reluctantly or ambivalently. What makes us different–what makes us Vietnam vets–is something we understand, but we are afraid nobody else will. But we appreciate your asking.
Vietnam veterans are white, black, beige and shades of gray; but in comparison with our numbers in the “real world,” we were more likely black. Our ancestors came from Africa, from Europe, and China. Or they crossed the Bering Sea Land Bridge in the last Ice Age and formed the nations of American Indians, built pyramids in Mexico, or farmed acres of corn on the banks of Chesapeake Bay. We had names like Rodriguez and Stein and Smith and Kowalski. We were Americans, Australians, Canadians, and Koreans; most Vietnam veterans are Vietnamese.
We were farmers, students, mechanics, steelworkers, nurses, and priests when the call came that changed us all forever. We had dreams and plans, and they all had to change…or wait. We were daughters and sons, lovers and poets, beatniks and philosophers, convicts and lawyers. We were rich and poor but mostly poor. We were educated or not, mostly not. We grew up in slums, in shacks, in duplexes, and bungalows and houseboats and hooches and ranchers. We were cowards and heroes. Sometimes we were cowards one moment and heroes the next.
Many of us have never seen Vietnam. We waited at home for those we loved. And for some of us, our worst fears were realized. For others, our loved ones came back but never would be the same.
We came home and marched in protest marches, sucked in tear gas, and shrieked our anger and horror for all to hear. Or we sat alone in small rooms, in VA hospital wards, in places where only the crazy ever go. We are Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, and Confucians and Buddhists and Atheists–though as usually is the case, even the atheists among us sometimes prayed to get out of there alive.
We are hungry, and we are sated, full of life or clinging to death. We are injured, and we are curers, despairing and hopeful, loved or lost. We got too old too quickly, but some of us have never grown up. We want, desparately, to go back, to heal wounds, revisit the sites of our horror. Or we want never to see that place again, to bury it, its memories, its meaning. We want to forget, and we wish we could remember.
Despite our differences, we have so much in common. There are few of us who don’t know how to cry, though we often do it alone when nobody will ask “what’s wrong?” We’re afraid we might have to answer.
Adam, if you want to know what a Vietnam veteran is, get in your car next weekend or cage a friend with a car to drive you. Go to Washington. Go to the Wall. It’s going to be Veterans Day weekend. There will be hundreds there…no, thousands. Watch them. Listen to them. I’ll be there. Come touch the Wall with us. Rejoice a bit. Cry a bit. No, cry a lot. I will. I’m a Vietnam Veteran; and, after 30 years, I think I am beginning to understand what that means.
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Excellent! You touched nearly all the bases and you are oh so right that everyone of us were touched by your words. Thank you for posting such a fine definition of who we are. Brothers forever.
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So insightful and obviously written by one that experienced VN. Yes it is impossible to describe the stereotypical VN Veteran. We are all over the spectrum and impossible to encapsulate in one perfect description. No two VN Veterans saw or experienced the war the same. What I witnessed around Hoi An was contrary to what I experienced in CamMau. I was in the same country but the terrain was different as was the weather and the locals spoke the same language but lived at a different pace.
I suspect the person seeking your response wanted to verify what Hollyweird fed him was true and accurate. Hollyweird have us portrayed as unbalanced, bloodthirsty and without compassion for innocent civilians. In short John, “you nailed it”.
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Thank you for taking the time to write. At one time in my life, 52yrs ago, I too was hanging in Vietnam. Was living between Marble Mt and Monkey Mt on the south China sea. By comparison of many, I had it easier than many, but.
Your article says a lot, thank you. Well written, again, thank you again
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Being a vet from a different time makes me appreciate those who went before even more! Heartfelt and accurate.
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This is an invaluable document that should be circulated to teachers, professors, clergy, and yes—even to politicians—to help understand that military members deserve our respect, love, and help not only when they first return home, but even decades later. I included politicians in the group to receive this, because they need to deeply consider whether sending people to war is in any way justified.
Welcome home, John, to you and your comrades in arms. Carry on with your good works—and God bless you.
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Excellent read with facts to back up article. I am an Australian Vietnam vet and served in-country with an artillery regiment in 1967. During this time I met a lot of US personnel and found most extremely professional . I feel so much angst about the brutal tally of so many service men and women lost to this “cause.”
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RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND
1. 88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.
2. 86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics); 12.5% (7,241) were black; 1.2% belonged to other races.
3. 170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam ; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there.
4. 70% of enlisted men killed were of North-west European descent.
5. 86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races.
6. 14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.
7. 34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.
8. Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.
9. Religion of Dead: Protestant — 64.4%; Catholic — 28.9%; other/none — 6.7%
Source ” http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/#:~:text=VIETNAM%20VETERANS&text=9%2C087%2C000%20military%20personnel%20served%20on,represents%209.7%25%20of%20their%20generation.
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I agree with most of what you wrote. Everyone has a different experience good and bad.
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Thank you so much for your eloquence
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Desperately is misspelled. No, most were not black. Big Red One 1969. 1st Cav 1970.
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Reblogged this on Cherries – A Vietnam War Novel and commented:
This article just about sums it up!
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I think the AMERICA owns you all a big THANK YOU AND I AM SO SORRY THE WAY AMERICANS TREATED YOU WHEN YOU GOT HOME. WE OWN YOU MORE THEN WHAT CAN BE PAID BACK TO YOU ALL THANK YOU gOD BLESS YOU ALL AND MAY GOD WATCH OVER YOU
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Awesome. Never a better soliloquy. God bless us all.
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There has been so many fake SOB’s witting on these blogs I can only draw conclusions from this writer.Not until I went to the VA Hospital for treatment did I know there were such people that designated themselves or someone else told them they were “VietNam ( ERA ) Vets.”I have seen there likes trying to draw pension for PTSD.I don’t have to wonder if Agent Orange got me my Heart Disease from it is killing me.I unlike this writer suggested, have never blamed Uncle Sam, and like many who were there would go again.I will never understand, that the one’s who were NOT there, always have the MOST to say about it, and expert opinion on it.
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Great
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Good article. Unfortunately he omitted our often forgotten Coast Guard when naming who all was there. We did have some “Coasties” in Vietnam too. I undoubtedly had it easier than 99 % of the guys over there. I was in Air Force Communications Service and stationed at Tan Son Nhut Air Base. I had one short TDY up to Camp McDerrmott outside Nha Trang and occasionally traveled off base in the Saigon Area to work on equipment. I was deployed with M-16, Flack Jacket and Helmet one night during an attack in which several “sappers” were shot in the fence line. I went outside after a rocket attack one night only to witness the second round of rockets come in striking in the area of H-3 and felt the shock pressure wave of the explosion. After that, my curiosity was cured. A friend of mine that had been my room mate at Lackland AFB, Texas in 1967 and I were to Sydney on R & R in early 1970. He just visited my home for the 4th time recently and I have visited he and his wife. Each time, we talk about other guys we were stationed with and wonder if they are still alive and where. You never forget the guys you served with in Vietnam and the the ones you went to school with or knew, that didn’t come back. That was long ago and far away when we were young, strong and healthy. In spite of the conditions, etc, all of us that served in Vietnam still have fond memories of some of our experiences. We went with the idea that we were defending the freedom and liberty of the South Vietnamese people from Communism. We are all old men now (and a few women) and in declining health, some of which is a direct result of our Vietnam experience.
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For far too many years we listened, and we listened in vain, to hear two words from you, the American people: The words “thank” and “you.” Every time that one of you says “thank you” to one of us, you are telling that Vietnam Veteran that the American people have finally decided to give US the same appreciation, the same thanks, the same honor that every single human being who takes the time our of their lives to put on this country’s uniform should ALWAYS receive, no matter what the conflict, no matter what the outcome of that conflict.–Tom Reilly, the Ronald Reagan Library, November 11th, 2013
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Please see my corrected e/mail address.
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That about sums it up!!!
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Thank you. Unfortunately,to the Vietnam VET,it’s not said with the passion that’s needed.I read so much about how we weren’t…sadly,we didn’t get many …if any ,thank yous…instead some expletives were said.I was 18,never away from home;first time and medical.What I experienced then most 50 year olds when I came home -not on their worst day;my own family turned their back on me.
A female,and I was suddenly the enemy. attempting to get a job was a joke,I was always too qualified…yet,never hired. Didn’t seem ever to meet qualifications for school.Damn,I couldn’t even qualify for affirmative action…. I retired..from the UsArmy……..that time changed me forever.
You think if we had been offered equestrian,surfing and all the “wounded warriors” have been lavished with …..couldn’t our guys have found themselves sooner..or maybe if our country had not forgotten we too,were American citizens??
I don’t want to be angry…however…all vets are vets…we were considered dogs but now “wounded warriors”??
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thanks bro
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Thanks John for putting a lot of what I am feeling and going through is such a concise and well put answer.
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Much of what you say about Nam vets applies to me, too. Only, I wasn’t exactly a ‘youngster’ when I joined up at age 23. I had been to college and earned an A.E. in Electrical/Electronics Engineering, and had been in the workforce for two years prior to my enlistment in the Marine Corps.
I was there in ’69-’70 and came home aboard the U.S.S. Tripoli with hundreds of other Marines from various units throughout Vietnam. I only met one guy I knew beforehand.
I didn’t cry for at least ten years following my tour, though once I started, thereafter the tear faucet was difficult to control.
The Nam never left me, but I’ve learned to deal with the depression, night sweats, and instant rage. I avoid stressors. Time itself (40+ years) has had its healing effect, too.
The one constant that I don’t expect will ever change is my distrust of my government. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
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God Bless you Harry! Welcome Home Brother!
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I was married to my Vet for 49 years. It wasn’t until 30 years into the marriage that we started to understand the effects the war had on us as a couple and our children. I became informed, read many books on the subject. In 2004 my dear husband became a PTSD counselor for the VA. He had been a Corpman with the Marines. He really could relate to all the men who came for help. It was such a blessing in his life. He was forced to retire in 2010 as his cancer had returned. It was a tough decision for him as he LOVED his guys. In 2011 he was asked to come to a reunion of HIS guys. They honored him in a very special way. The last 7 mos. of his life were his best. He had finally made peace with his past. He lost his battle with Cancer in Jan. 2012. He died a happy man, at last.
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This is difficult to say, but I hope you know where I’m coming from: I am sorry and saddened by your loss, but glad that he was also able to make peace and die a happy man. God Bless!
John Podlaski, author
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Thank you Brother, for so thoughtful a reply ..But you forgot to mention ….The Constant memory of the friends we lost …and are still loseing . It never quits Chaz Crewchief Doorgunner 67,68,69
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enjoyed reading your story. Looking forward to hearing more. I am a Vietnam Vets widow. I feel so connected to all the men and women who served there.
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Thanks for the acknowledgment – welcome aboard!
John Podlaski, author
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XLNT
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I went to Vietnam as an infantryman 1967-6825th division.
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I’ve noticed the same thing about the wives of the vets I served with at our reunions. The wives understand, in their own special ways, what the Vietnam veterans continue to live through. It isn’t always easy to deal with a husband’s difficulties following war-time service. God bless you and all the wives of Nam vets.
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You are absolutely correct Harry! I met my wife shortly after my discharge in the Army, so she didn’t know me before I left. She’s stood by my side over the last forty years, supporting me through many sleepless nights and helping me back to the real world. Janice is also responsible for my writing “Cherries” – pushing me so she could better understand my Nam experiences then helping me to live with my ghosts. What a treasure I have…
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there will always be a part of us vets that will always be in nam, always. the nam never leaves us, never.
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This is well said John. You certainly put a lot of thought into what you have written here. Thank you for speaking for all of us.
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YES JOHN I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WAY YOU SAID THIS I WAS THERE IN 67-68 TET SEND ME HOME AFTER 9 MONTHS IN HOSPITAL GOD BLESS ALL OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS FOR SERVING THERE COUNTRY AND SUFFERING THROUGH ALL OF THE BULL SHIT WE HAD TO FACE WHEN WE CAME HOME
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I was there the same time 67-68 Tet, thank you well said I enjoyed reading this
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