My friend, David Hollar, sent me a snippet from his manuscript titled “Casualties of War”. In it, he talks about PTSD and his struggles after the war. Much of what he wrote will resonate with veterans of any war. There is help and treatment available. There is no cure, but you can learn techniques for keeping the demons at bay. How much of what he wrote do you experience?
By DAVID HOLLAR
I returned home from Vietnam on August 15, 1970; I thought the war was over for my family and me. I came to realize that instead of being over; it had just begun. Upon returning home, I started a journey that was alien to every Vietnam Veteran and me. Whether it was a day or night in America, each of us started our difficult and long journey. In some ways, for many, the Vietnam War was a journey into spiritual darkness. It became the blackest night of the soul. Some succumbed to suicide. It condemned others to a lifetime of depression and sadness. Many others could go on with their lives and attain their life goals. Depression played a terrible toll on my family and me. In a session with Elaine. I told her that “at some level, the Vietnam War almost ruined my life.” That was because of the results of the depression that it brought upon me.
I have seen the face of war. It is a terrible ordeal. It never smiles. It only cries in anguish, terror, and pain. It is the face of widows and fatherless children. That face is always the same, whether in world wars, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. In Vietnam, GIs learned it was impossible to kill without emotional engagement.
In 1980, veterans of that war formed the Vietnam Veterans of America. They created it because Vietnam Veterans, mostly, were mistreated when coming home. There were no parades, no accolades, no parties, and no recognition. All too often, veterans of WW II and Korea thought we were not veterans of a “real” war. Some considered us to be “crybabies” and weak. Organizations such as the Veterans of Foreign Wars or the American Legion would not allow us to join. For that reason, the VVA slogan is, “Never again will one generation of veterans abandon another.”
Not long after my return, Paul, my oldest brother, was visiting us. He told me that while I was not nearby; he asked Sylvia how I was doing. He said she hesitated and only said, “he has changed.” Sylvia has told me she has commented to some of her lady friends at church that “the person who went to Vietnam (her husband) is not the same person who came back.” Sylvia has told me that if when she met me, I were like the person I had become after Vietnam, she would not have married me.
It is because of these comments that I titled this book Casualties of War. The casualties extend far beyond those killed or physically wounded and their families. It includes the many thousands of soldiers plagued by PTSD, Agent Orange, and depression. It is an ailment that affects everyone around them.
After the war, I found that hardly anyone wanted to know anything about my experience. That was fine with me because I did not want to talk about it. Years later, my brother Paul told me I would say nothing about it. He would ask questions I would never answer. Americans wanted to forget about the war and think of it as never happening. But it happened. That rejection was a significant factor in my coming emotional storm.
Upon returning home, I went back to working at Arthur Andersen & Co. as a junior auditor. When I started there in June 1967, I was one of 25 new junior auditors after college graduation. When I returned in February 1971, only 2 or 3 remained. It was typical for large auditing firms to have a significant turnover of their new junior auditors. Of those remaining, they were three years ahead of me in experience and salary.
Unlike when I first began working at Arthur Andersen, I found I had more difficulty concentrating and understanding the work. One morning in April, my senior supervisory auditor told me to report to David Ellis, the Office Manager, the following day. Ellis said that I was not working out with the firm, and he recommended I look for a position elsewhere. Since I was a veteran and had entered the army after working at Arthur Andersen, they were required to keep me for one year, if that is what I wanted. I told him that I did not want to do that and would look for another job.
I remained on the payroll during the 12 weeks that I looked for a new position. I did not go to the office because Mr. Ellis said, “my full-time job was to find another one.”

On April 2, 1982, Argentina invaded the British colony on the Falkland Islands, 400 miles from Argentine soil. It was nearly 7,500 miles from the British mainland. The population at the time was less than 2,000 people and 400,000 sheep. On the 5th of April, a prominent British task force set out on a 7,500-mile journey to liberate the islands. That effort began the most extensive naval action to take place since the Second World War, and nearly 900 men lost their lives.
I read an article about the war in a newspaper. It included an interview with a young British Marine Lieutenant. He commented that war was not what he expected. He said it was more terrible than anything he had ever imagined. They fought much of the war at night, which would have made battles all the more terrifying, especially to a lieutenant in charge of 30 men.
As I read the article, I muttered aloud. “Now you know, lieutenant, now you know what it is like, and you will never forget it. You may try, but you will probably fail.”
One day after I returned home, Sylvia and I went on a picnic in a park. The area had a plethora of trees in the area, just like the jungles of Vietnam. I found I was continually coming to an alert state when there were any noises, such as bristling bushes or squirrels running about. I had left Vietnam, but it had not left me. I was a Casualty of War.
In 1991, I was the recipient of a heart transplant. I am receiving compensation from the Veterans Administration for heart disease caused by exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam’s jungles. A side effect was kidney failure, for which I am also receiving compensation. I also filed a claim for PTSD in 2012, which was approved.
When we returned home from Vietnam, they expected us to become law-abiding, distinguished citizens of our country. Hours earlier, we left a country where death, dismemberment, and destruction were the accepted norm. There was no counseling or instruction on rejoining the millions of citizens going about their daily activities in their respective communities.

No one warned us that there would be flashbacks, nightmares, and posttraumatic stress to greet us with our return to the “world.” No one told us of the impending diseases caused by exposure to Agent Orange. Few understood where we had been, what we had done, and the things we had seen, touched and smelled. Few understood why we went to ‘NAM. Even fewer wanted to know. Unless we had an understanding family, we were on our own. Some did not make it. There have been about 9,000 suicides by Vietnam veterans.
After Vietnam, I found that I would become irritated or angry quickly. I was quick to judge, cynical about everything, and intolerant. It was decades before I realized why. It continues today. I am a Casualty of War.
Karl Marlantes was a marine infantry lieutenant in Vietnam. Ken Burns featured him in The Vietnam War documentary. In it, he describes an event that took place after returning home. He was in his car, and the driver behind him honked his horn. The next thing he knew, he was on the hood of that car, pounding on the window and yelling at the driver. He did not know that his reaction resulted from the war. I have had multiple experiences similar to Marlantes but without the violence.
I experienced things in those days that I now realize were from PTSD. I did not understand why I became so angry over so little. When I was in a car alone, I would often scream, yell and swear at anything and everything–cars, drivers, the wind, a tree, the sky, anything. I had a very supportive wife and family, but could not share what I had been through.
Through the years, the impact of the war on me continued as becoming angry quickly, used strong language (usually in private), being cynical about almost anything and everything, and was angry about our unusually high number and intensity of life’s difficulties.
This condition caused me to be less than understanding or supportive of Sylvia than I needed to be. She could sense when I was having a bad time. Those times came without warning, and I could not explain it to myself or her. I had changed dramatically and drastically from the 25-year-old who went to Vietnam.
When Sylvia saw I was struggling, she often asked: “Is it mental, physical, or both?” Too often, it would be mental. I have often wondered how many wives, with any regularity, ask their husbands that question. I expect the answer is few.
Depression would slime over me. There would be no warning, and it would command our lives for that time. I would go to bed and cry for five or ten minutes with no idea why. Once in an email, my brother Paul asked me why I was so depressed. I replied that I did not know. I talked about it very little because I could not see the problem, so how could anyone else?
I remember the details of one episode. It was on my birthday, and we were in Fredericksburg, VA. I had been having mental issues that day and maybe a few days before. We celebrated by having lunch at Brock’s restaurant. Sylvia’s sister owned a store in the Old Towne section of the city. After lunch, we went there to visit. We parked on the street near the store. I told Sylvia to go in, and I would be in soon. While in the car alone, I broke into tears with huge uncontrollable gasps for air as the depression demons escaped from my body for a while. It lasted nearly ten minutes.
After episodes like that, I felt so much better. Feeling better could last a month or two or more. Then again, it might be only two weeks, or one week, or a couple of days when the demons were back, and the cycle came back around. I expect I thought the root cause of this condition was the war and the heart transplant, both of which were life-threatening traumatic events.
This happened to me because of events before, during, and after my service in Vietnam. I have told family and friends that “for me, the Vietnam War changed everything.” The causes of that change have three elements:
- How I became an infantry lieutenant.
- After the war, I realized and thought that the war was a mistake and should not have happened.
- How they treated us (mistreated) upon our return home.
First, I became an infantry lieutenant because of misstatements by multiple U.S. Army recruiters. But, in my mind, it went much further. The misstatements came from my government, my country. Years after returning from Vietnam, I learned that being in the infantry was a rare occupation in the military. In any significant military operation, “only 1 in 10” troops are front-line infantry.
Second, after the war, I realized that the domino theory (created by Eisenhower and perpetrated by Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon) was false. It was the basic foundation for going to war. The war ended via Nixon’s Vietnamization (i.e., let’s get the hell out of there) Program. The conflict in Vietnam was not a major player in Communist expansion; it was an internal revolution, and therefore we should not have been there.
They had sent me to a war that should not have happened. They sent me to a war that our leaders (JFK, LBJ, and Nixon) knew was not winnable. It was a war that much of the country despised. My country had misled me.
Third, the country that sent us to war rejected us upon our return home. All three issues betrayed what is right by those in authority and a high-stake situation. They all resulted in my severe Moral Injury.
I experienced depression during the two years from the heart attack to the heart transplant in 1991. However, the depression returned in 1994. They prescribed antidepressant medication.
The betrayals prompted me to tell my counselor on December 19, 2011: “At some level, the Vietnam war ruined my life” I said that because of the resulting significant impact of depression on my family and me over several decades. I have taken prescribed antidepressants since 1994.
I have problems with remembering events that recently occurred and have developed a cynical attitude and suspiciousness of people and organizations. Loud and unexpected noises, including voices, quickly startle me and make me feel disoriented. Other veterans have told me they have the same issue. I find my mood varies and changes soon from hour to hour and day to day. I have significant difficulty in attempting to accomplish multiple tasks simultaneously. Such attempts are usually not successful.
The war negatively impacted millions of Americans. Dunbar’s number is the limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain ongoing social relationships. Robin Dunbar, a British anthropologist in the 1990s, developed it. He determined that people can maintain about 150 stable relationships. He said it was “the number of people you would not feel embarrassed about joining uninvited for a drink if you bumped into them in a bar.”
The number of GIs killed in the war was 58,220, and 153,000 wounded. Using Dunbar’s number, the losses negatively impacted 8,733,000 family members and friends. The number affected grows to 22,950,000 when factoring in the number of wounded. The Vietnam War left us with millions of Casualties of War.
Thank you, brother, for sharing your story with us.
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Great article about the continued suffering from the war, the effects of Agent Orange, the extreme harm caused by the attitude of the country. I have a very good friend who served as a lieutenant in Vietnam. He was the son of a general with high ranking military friends who often told him he had not been in a war. What? People were fighting and dying. Insane. Thanks to this article I now understand why he has had so many issues with alcohol. I’m so glad that despite the fact that our government learned nothing from the war in Vietnam, our veterans learned how to be a strong support group for the veterans of our recent wars. I think a lot of veterans could benefit from reading this.
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My Brother, I was a Cobra pilot in Vietnam. I returned home in 1969. I have not suffered as much as you, but your statement about depression and sadness struck home to me. I have tried taking their drugs for depression and the last one put me in the ER with a Sodium level of 121. So, I just have to continue living with it. I have rarely if ever since Vietnam felt happiness or contentment. Thank you for writing your article.
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Very truthful.. I am a causality of this war. For many years at least 45 I was in denial. Then I ” got to go to Saudi Arabia!”
I can’t stay on task for very many things and certainly, not for a long time.
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very much relate, 2nd Battlion 5th Marines Phu Bai,,,, 1st MAW, Mag 12 Da Nang and Nam Phong , Thailand ,,, the Rose Garden !
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Semper Fi my brother !
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Like ,can relate to it very much. Served with 173rd 66-67 HHC recon plt.
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Word Press; Yes, yes you Are “here to help.” TYVM & hasta la vista your new website to come!
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Heheh, weren’t we All ‘1 horatio-s Too’! Making a stand at such a ‘Bridge Over Troubled Waters’. “No nexus” for most of my/our woes; but just got two total knee implants, that 54 yrs ago…told “would make you more disabled from the surgery; Better you wait.” But My heart still ‘runs good.’ Now at last I have those Knives — gone from my knees! CT scan next week, about AO threat now.
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Yep That; I’m still ‘resembling’ that helluva “snippet” encountered Above. Glad to still be kept here ‘among that number’ of Cherries, Writers and ‘Casualties of War.’ I had gotten some of the ‘moral injury’…just Some…out of the way when I sought & got a 1-A-O selective Objector status with my local draft board in 1966 while in college. “If you’re willing to be a medic, you must be sincere.” That got me to a ‘1 & Done’ 1968 as C Batt. medic with FA77, First BN,First Cav Div.
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Has this book been published yet?
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No. It’s a work in progress. / John
On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 6:05 PM CherriesWriter – Vietnam War website < comment-reply@wordpress.com> wrote:
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I started to read the 1987 Pulitzer Prize book on Vietnam, A Bright Shining Lie by Neil Sheehan, I went half way through and it answered my question of why we went there after Ho Chi Minh asked Truman for help etc. the rest made me cry and I never picked it up again. I recently started to read Secrets by a Marine who worked at the Pentagon cable room, Secrets. I read to page 12 and he also gave me information I never had, too angry to finish it. someday I’ll finish both books but not in the near future.
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Don’t feel bad. I only managed to read 2/3rds of H.R. McMaster’s “Dereliction of Duty,” about LBJ’s WH, JCOS, McNamara’s DoD, and others before I had to stop reading how they were too willing to sacrifice a few thousand of us young soldiers, just to send a message to the commie Russians and Chinese.
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I too am very angry over my time in Viet Nam . I was WIA 27Jan 68 . Then back with my outfit 3 days later . The TET stopped for no one . To this day I hate McNamera ,Kennedy and Johnson ! In my bucket list is an opportunity to urinate on their graves . This war will never end in mind !
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I served with Marine Infantry from Oct 67 thru Oct 68. I find these emails unsetteling, and request you stop sending them. Is this fiction or nonfiction?
Bill ________________________________
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Sorry Bill. Only those who signed up receive emails when new articles are posted. Everything you read are true events.
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These are your fellow Veterans telling their stories… I can assure you that the vast majority of these stories are TRUE…. Have you red “We Were Soldier’s Once” By Hal Moore & Joe Galloway ? Do you think that is not a true account… Was Khe Sanh a made up story ? You are here by choice and can leave by choice… If anything my stories are told in a modest way and were in reality far worse than anything I can write… Be well Bill
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Well done 👍
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English please
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David Hollar, I relate to ever word you’ve written. As a Dustoff Pilot (67/68) at the ripe age of 22, I saw so much horror that permanently etched itself into my brain. And it just doesn’t go away. Were it not for a loving and caring wife and family, I may well have ended up as did a good number of my fellow Vietnam company members. Little did I know when I left Vietnam that it would never leave me.
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As a two tour vet from the Vietnam conflict with disabilities of PTSD and Agent Orange, I concur with the article. This is especially true: “they sent us there with no plan to win.” And even worse, many of those who sent us there financially profited handsomely.
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Reply to this comment – “And even worse, many of those who sent us there financially profited handsomely.” They did not care about any one who they sent over – and still don’t. We have to fight for what these veterans so rightfully deserved back then and still cannot get today. Such a very sad situation – they have absolutely no compassion at all.
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As a Vietnam Veteran we were all in the same boat,thats all I can say.A Co.1/12 4th Inf.Div.1968-69.Welcome home,brother.
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I would consider this Man my Kindred Spirit, my Brother. If ever a way to share person to person existed, it would be with each other’s writing. I hope through this we come to know each other.
Thanks for sharing this important work. ✌️To All Vietnam Vets
@GregoryDoering😎
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It is spot on. Every word.
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It was interesting . I don’t think a lot of people realize how few us that were in Viet Nam were combat troops . I spent a full 12 months living like an animal and some times acting like one . Crawling in tunnels and and drinking river water was a norm for me . I was wounded by shrapnel on 21Jan 1968 and returned to my unit 2 days later. War is hell and there are no words to describe it’s horror. BUT I’m here and alive ! As much as I am loved and love I know the burden of having been in COMBAT I must bear alone ! For love of family and this country I will put my head down and keep humping!
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Joe, I have done that all of my life, my method of copping was being a ‘workaholic’, fortunate for me that drugs and alcohol were just minor events in life.. But there comes a day when working is harder and the mind floats back in time to the worst moments in our lives. For a combat infantryman it is the worst events relived again and again… I found it harder and harder to just keep my head down and continue humping. You are fortunate to have a good family around you, not one person in my family ever wanted to know what we lived through, 3 wives were never interested and only cared about the income & perks provided…. Here I am at 77 and living alone with the worst of the memories still floating about… Fortunate for me I live in a my own tropical paradise park here in Hawai’i, it is my sanctuary
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Insightful view of the effects of US involvement in RVN>
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The second paragraph is one of the most powerful pieces of the writing about war in Vietnam or anywhere I have ever read. This snippet describes the path so many platoon leaders have followed since returning home. Welcome Home brother, and know that you are not alone.
Has the book been published? I can’t seem to find it or you.
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Just curious…How did you get away with using this title? The book “Casualties of War was written in 1969 by David Lang, and made into a movie in 1989. Cpl, USMC ’64-’68. I did 2 tours in ‘Nam and am on 100%.
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Paul, titles are not copyrighted and can be used numerous times for books, movies, etc. Pick one and check out Amazon to see what I mean.
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I was in Nam August 1969 – augest 15 1970. I was diagnosed as having 100% PTSD. I lived a drunk depressed life until a few years ago. My VA doctor put me on Gabbapentin. Its for nerves. Im not kidding you that in two week I quite drinking and have had 0 desire to drink since I started. My whole life changed because I was sober and sober minded. My life changed radically. I still have memories but Im dead sober and it is easy to handle now. We combat vets nerves are shattered. Gabbapentin has saved my life. I take 2 at night and 2 in the morning. I never think about drinking at all. Life is real now. I hope this helps some of you combat vets still struggling with your crazy brain.
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Agent Orange has had a profound impact on many Viet Nam Vets including me.
Have many of the issues mentioned in this story!
It never goes away and gets worse each day.
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Really good article that may help others from later wars recognize what’s happening to them and to seek help.
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Thank you brother- I, like most Vietnam Vets I know, feel the way you feel…just can’t put it into words as well as you did. Thank you for sharing….it helped me to read that someone else feels as I do. Welcome Home.
Dan M.
DaNang 69-70
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I was in the Navy in 64,65,66, and 67. I never realized what my friends and relatives were going through on the ground in country. I found that my best friend was at Khe Sanh and two Purple Hearts, came back a nervous wreck. He functioned like a car running a 100 MPH until he died. He could never do enough and drink enough coffee and alcohol.
When I was on my ship, a letter came through asking for volunteers for river boat duty. Two of us volunteered, and he got to go. I have felt guilty and hated it to this day that I was not picked. I am alive and had decent life, but I still think about it and all of the young people that went and didn’t want go.
Explain that stupid bunch of feelings.
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No explanation necessary my friend, life is what it was. I have a very good friend who was on those river boats, he was actually on the Boat Skippered by John Kerry, and his name does appear in his book. He is referred to as “Duess” as in Dusenberry. Bob swears that John Kerry was the best skipper in the fleet, and Bob is as far away from politics as it gets. But the stories he tells are as harrowing as the stories I have from 18 months in the infantry around Tay Ninh Province late 66 – 67 and returned July 1968… Be well my friend
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WOW, where do I begin David….. There is so much in your story that is common in mine, the questions of why were we there, The Moral Injury, while in most of my past upheaval did not ever come up, my ongoing reality is every bit the Moral Injury as the companion to my PTSD. I believe that I was suffering from clinical depression before I entered the Army on my 17th Birthday, but I did not know what depression was then. As an infantry platoon Sgt (no Lt’s ) we had the same responsibilities but I was in Vietnam at 21 with over 4 years in the army.
Fast forward, here I am today after 3 divorces, several failed long term relationships, living alone trying to make sense of my life. I was fortunate in many ways to end up with a fair amount of equity from my life, but with the same baggage you carried around, but fortunate that I have had no acute heath threats from my AO contamination, But the ongoing problems of a lifetime changed by the horrors of war. July 28th will be the release of a book titled “Duel with the Dragon” written by William Comeau with the help of some contributors including myself will tell the story of “The Battle of Soui Tre”, that lives everyday in my mind… Sorry that this is brief (well for most it is lengthy), but I will have more to add, it is futile to say “Welcome Home David” as I doubt we will ever return home (where we were before we went), It is only ‘over when it is all over’ is my adaptation of Yogi Bera’s “ain’t over till it’s over”
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So many of you were so young when you were sent over there. My late husband was only 20 , and a Canadian, Kevin had a working visa. I wished knew more of this and I was more sensitive to my late husband.
There was all the promises of what they would offer you before you went to Vietnam but as you well know there was nothing. You were and still on your own. So heartbreaking
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Excellent article, I too experience many similar problems. My first wife never wanted to hear about anything in S. Vietnam and what I had experienced, maybe it was because she was 5 years younger than me. It wasn’t until after 10 years of marriage that she called me a baby killer. This was brought about because we had become legal guardians of my sister in law (15 yrs old) who was suffering abuse from my mother in law. Sister in law was studying about Vietnam in high school and wanted me to come and speak about it. I told her “no” but she kept insisting and so did my wife. After much persuasion from both of them, I finally told them about a few incidents there that I tried to keep buried in the back of my mind and they were totally shocked that I could do have done that. It was war I told them and it’s either me or them and I surely didn’t want to die. Marriage lasted 14 more years before we divorced. My second marriage started out great and understanding but it’s been 20 years and nowadays there’s name calling, teasing about my OCD, checking of surroundings, alert for strange people, keeping physically busy to keep my mind occupied and many more. She is 7 years older than me and has a few medical issues being in her mid 70’s so I tend to do most of the physical chores around the house but she never realizes it. It’s gotten to a point that I keep hoping that she will die due to illness and I won’t have to put up with it anymore.
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All of the above comments you describe fits me. When I returned I made the mistake of going to a fair that at night had fireworks, needless to say you know what happened l was picking myself and my best girl up off the ground. People were laughing and l ended up walking home by myself. We did get married, it only lasted a couple years. I got home in the summer of ’68.
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Have heard this many times before but it was a good read
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My experience is very similar. Married 10 days before I left. My wife said I was a different guy when I came back, and not for the good. Extreme anger and not being able to forget any slight done to me. Hurt from loved one’s comments that I was a “crybaby” and didn’t fight in a “real” war. One recent manifestation of PTS is my cynicism of the whole pandemic. I doubt anything the media or the government claims, and I believe for good reasons.
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This article is so true. I served in vietnam with the 25 th inf.
For a long period of time I could not stand to get neat the side of a road because a land mine buried there sent me home to a hospital with three days left in country.
Looking for spots where there may be an ambush. I can’t stand to have a person walking up behind me . If you touch me then I instantly have my fist balled and ready to defend myself.
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6/11/22
David, My boyfriend(to become husband) went to Vietnam in December, 1967 and returned December,1968. Day after high school graduation 1967, he and 7 of his friends walked into a Marine recruiters office and volunteered to go to Vietnam. Like you many promises were made, but none were followed. My boyfriend was at Khesahn in January, 1968 thru March. On that hill with I think about 50 Marines. Only 3 survived.
By April, 1968 all by 2 of his friends were KIA.
He returned in December, 1968 a very different young man than went over. As I know you understand. We were married in 1970. It took about 5 years for him to tell me anything about his time in Vietnam. Only one amusing story about a Marine having shot a village chicken and the people coming unglued as they believed the Chicken was the village King. But, the other stories he shared were unthinkable. Nineteen year old boys being ordered to go out and kill people who had done nothing to them. “But be sure to come back with a body count”.
Reading your story was like talking to my husband again. I could relate from a spouses view to many of the things you wrote. My husband died in 2010 just 2 days before our 40th anniversary and my 60th birthday. He was only 61.
Thank you for your service and your strength to tell your story. The most helpful sentence in your story was “I left Vietnam, but it didn’t leave me”. So true for most combat Veterans.
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Left Nam August 15, 1970 and returned to Arthur Andersen February 1970. Trust there’s typo in those dates or ???
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It should read that I returned to Author Andersen in February, 1971.
My apology.
DAVID HOLLAR
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Assumed as much. Doing it with you not to you you my friend.
11B 1/27th Wolfhounds ‘70 – 71
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Thanks Tom/Dave…I made the correction.
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CORRECTION
I returned to Auther Andersen in February, 1071.
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Assumed as much. Looking to do it with you and not to you my friend. We were there same time.
11B 1/27th Wolfhounds Feb ‘70 – Mar ‘71
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MY book Just published____ You may feature it!! Gerald Augustine
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I’m not sure you’re aware but even today VIETNAM War Veterans make up the majority of Vet suicides…
P.M.
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