Photo above from 7/15/66 shows the crash that killed two men from the Fulton/Montgomery County area of upstate New York just west of Albany, SGT Robert R. Telfer (Fonda, NY) and CPL Orsen H. Case (Johnstown, NY). Thanks to Gus Kappler for the info.
One out of every ten Americans who served in Vietnam became a casualty. As a result, 58,169 were killed and 304,000 wounded out of 2.29 million who served. Although the percent of dead is similar to other wars, amputations or crippling wounds were 300% higher than in World War II. 75,000 Vietnam Veterans are severely disabled.
MEDEVAC helicopters flew nearly 500,000 missions, airlifting 900,000 patients (nearly one-half were Americans). The average lapse between being wounded and reaching a hospital was less than one hour, and as a result, less than one percent of those wounded died of their wounds within the first 24 hours.
The helicopter provided unprecedented mobility. Without helicopters, it would have taken three times as many troops to secure the 800 mile border with Cambodia and Laos (the politicians thought the Geneva Conventions of 1954 and the Geneva Accords of 1962 would secure the border).
Army Huey’s totaled 9,713,762 flight hours in Vietnam between October 1966 and the end of American involvement in early 1973. Cobra helicopters totaled 1,110,716 flight hours in Vietnam. This is also the main reason that soldiers in Vietnam saw more action than those soldiers of preceding wars. Large groups of soldiers could be air-lifted into a battle and then be withdrawn after a few hours and flown to another area to reinforce other units or to engage the enemy again in a different portion of the country.
The chart below is not all inclusive but includes most of the helicopter units that served during the Vietnam War. Where it is known, I’ve indicated their unit name / call sign, and a sample of nose art or unit patch for those units. I did post another article on this website a while ago that includes hundreds of photos of nose art used by these crews in-county. I’ll leave a link at the end of this article in the event you want to check it out.
If I’ve erred on the chart below, please let me know so I can make corrections. Also, I invite you to get back to me on any missing units, call signs or duplicates. I am aware that many of the units mentioned herein had multiple call signs and nose art – I’m just limited to the available space I can’t show them all in this format..
CIVILIAN HELICOPTER UNITS
UNIT
UNIT CALL SIGN
Air America
U.S. ARMY HELICOPTER UNITS
Americal Division
Southern Cross
B Co. 123rd Avn. Bn.
Warlords
D Troop 1/1 Cav.
Dragoons
First Cavalry Division
Armed Falcons
1st Brigade – 1st Cav Div (Airmobile)
Flying Circus
1st Aviation Detachment 1st CAV
Guns-A-Go-Go
First Infantry Division
Bulldogs, Rebel Guns, Longhorns, Danger Hawks
1st Infantry Division 1/4th Cav
Quarter Cav
1st Infantry Division A – C Troop 1/4th – Armored Cav Squadron / Troop
Quarterhorse, Darkhorse
1st Infantry Division D Troop 16th Cav
Darkhorse, Mustangs
Fourth Infantry Division Aviation – The Ivy Division
12th Combat Assault Group – C Troop 3/17th Cav12th Combat Assault Group – F Troop 3/17th Cav
Comancheros
7th Squardron 17th Cav Regiment (Air).
Ruthless Riders
B Troop 7/17th Cav.
Scalphunters
7th Armored Squadron 1st Cav
Blackhawks
HHC 3rd Brigade 25th Infantry
Aloha Airlines
A Company 101st Aviation
Thunderbirds
B Company 101stAviation
Kingsmen
C Company 101st Aviation and 188th AHC
Black Widows and Spiders
D Company 101st Aviation
Hawks
B Company 123rd Aviation Battalion
Warlords
A Company 158th Combat Aviation Battalion 101st Airborne Division
Ghost Riders
B Company 158th Combat Aviation Battalion 101st Airborne Division
Lancers
C Company 158th Combat Aviation Battalion 101st Airborne Division
Phoenix
B Company 159th Combat Aviation Battalion 101st Airborne Division
Varsity
A Company 227th Aviation 1st Cav Div
Chickenman
B Company 227th Aviation 1st Cav Div
The Good Deal Company
C Company 227th AHB 1st Cav 1966-67
Ghost Riders / Snakes
D Company 227th AHB 1st Cav
El Lobo
229th Assault Helicopter Battalion
Winged Assault
A Company 229t AHC
Load Hackers
B Company 229th AHC
Killer Spades
D Company 229th Aviation 1st Cav Div
Smiling Tigers
D Troop 1st Squadron 10th Cav
Shamrock
D Troop 1st Squadron 1st Air Cav 101st Airborne
Dragoons
D Troop (AIR) 1st Squadron 4th Cav 1st Infantry
Darkhorse
D Troop (AIR) 3rd Squadron 4th Cav 25th Inf Div and F Troop (AIR) 4th Cav
Centaurs
D Troop 3/5th Cav
Spooks / Raven / Long Knives
E Troop 82nd Artillery 1st Cav Div
F Trp 8th Combat
Blueghost
HHC 10th Combat Aviation Battalion
Vagabonds
A/377 ARTY 101 ABN
2/20 ARA 1 CAV & F/79 CAV & 4/77 ARA & E82 (All ARA and AFA units)
Blue Max
8th Transportation Company
11th Armored Cav Regiment Aviation
12th Combat Aviation Group
14th Transportation Battalion (AM&S) (GS)
The Reliables
15th Medical Battalion
MEDEVAC
17th Assault Helicopter Company (From Jerry F)
Kingsman & Lancers
18th Corps Aviation Company (patches & info supplied by Lester Scates)
By mid-1971 most all U.S. military combat forces (including aviation assets) either had or were in the process of departing Vietnam and were transferred their combat responsibilities and equipment to the ARVN forces. This was especially true in the Mekong Delta (IV Corps) where no U.S. ground forces remain. However, there still remained a requirement for ongoing non-combat aviation support to ARVN military units, regional/provincial militia (Ruff-Puffs), MACV advisers, VIP transportation and non-combat classified missions. On 1 June 1971 the 18 th Corps
Aviation Company was formed at Can Tho Army Airfield in IV Corps, Republic of South Vietnam.
When aviation units deactivated, portions of their assets and personnel were transferred to the 18 th CAC. Since the CAC was still evolving, the first couple of months was organized chaos. When the dust settled, aviation wise, the CAC wound up with four flight platoons and one VIP flight detachment. There were 30 UH-1H Hueys divided into two flight platoons of 10 aircraft each, one VIP detachment of
8 Hueys, one commanders aircraft and one maintenance aircraft. The Huey’s callsign was “Green Delta”. The maintenance aircraft callsign was “Short Shaft”.
There was a platoon of 12 OH-58 Kiowas, call sign “Bartenders” and a heavy-lift platoon of 12 CH-47C Chinooks, call sign “Hillclimbers”. There were two maintenance platoons, one for single rotor aircraft (UH-1’s and OH-58’s) and one for the CH-47’s, each with their own hanger and maintenance personnel. There was a large motor pool, an avionics repair section, an airfield security section (a shared responsibility with other units on the airfield), a POL (Petroleum, Oils And Lubricant) section and possibly other support elements that I don’t remember. All
told there were over 500 officers and enlisted assigned to the 18 th CAC. The first commander of this massive organization was Major Douglas Thorpe.
On 6 June 1972 there was a change-of-command. Major Jerry Childers became he new commander and remained until the unit stand-down on 13 March 1973. At 0800 hrs. 28 January 1973 the long-awaited cease fire became effective. Therefore, the war was officially over. However, someone forgot to tell our former enemies, the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) and the local Viet Cong (VC).
At 0945 hrs. a pilot, WO1 Anthony Del Pazzo, from the 18 th CAC, flying a marked Joint Military Command (JMC) UH-1 on approach to Can Tho Army Airfield, was killed when the aircraft was hit by small arms fire. WO1 Pazzo was the last Army pilot killed in Vietnam. On 16 February 1973 a CH-47 from the 18 th CAC, also marked as a JMC aircraft, on a supply mission for the peacekeeping forces had
just delivered building materials to a joint NVA/VC compound near Song Be in Binh Long Province – north-west of Saigon. On departure, at about 300 feet AGL, the
aircraft was strafed by heavy small arms fire, setting the aircraft of fire. The aircraft crash landed in flames. Flight Engineer SP5 James L Scoggins was severely burned in the crash and died 7 days later from complications relating to
his injuries. SP5 Scoggins was the last Army aircrewman to die in Vietnam before the final combat troop withdrawal which occurred on 28 March 1973.
The 18 th Corps Aviation Company was to be short-lived. On 27 February 1973 the 18 th CAC received orders to stand-down and prepare to transfer all assets to the
VNAF. In the final days, some of the personnel were transferred to other units remaining in country and many were rotated back to the states. A skeleton crew
remained to facilitate the transfer. The draw-down was completed on 13 March 1973. All of the assets were left in place: aircraft, motor pool, weapons, tools and shop equipment – everything, including pilot and crew flight helmets. The remaining personnel moved off base to facilities in Can Tho. On 14 March 1973 the VNAF
took over the facility. The colors (unit flag) for the 18 th CAC were folded and transferred to Ft. Bragg, NC.
Green Delta18th CAC Aircraft Recovery Team
CH-47 Hillclimbers
Green Delta Typical Flight Platoon
UH-1 Maintenance Platoon
UH-1 Flight VIP Platoon
25th Combat Assault Company
Red Carpet
25th Aviation Battalion
Little Bears and Diamondheads
31st Transportation (CH-34) Company and 138th Transportation Detachment
48th Assault Helicopter Company
Bluestars and Jokers
52nd and 119th Camp Holloway
Dragons
52nd Combat Aviation +Battalion
Flying Dragons
57th Assault Helicopter Company
Gladiators and Cougar
57th Medical Company
Dustoff
59th Combat Assault Company
Red Cloud
60th Assault Helicopter Company
Ghost Riders
61st Assault Helicopter Company
Lucky Stars and Star Blazers
62nd Corps Aviation Company
Royal Coachman
62nd Assault Helicopter Company
Outlaws &Mavericks
68th Assault Helicopter Company
Top Tigers, Mustangs & Raiders
71st Assault Helicopter Company
Rattler and Firebirds
82nd Medical Detachment
DUSTOFF
92nd Assault Helicopter Company
Stallions and Sidekicks
101st Airborne Division Association D Co, 158 Avn Bn (Cobras) Redskins
A Co, 101st Avn Bn (Huey’s) Comancheros
A Btry 377 Arty (Huey and LOH) Gunner
A Btry 4/77 ARA (Cobras) Dragons
B Btry 4/77 ARA (Cobras) Toros
C Btry 4/77 ARA (Cobras) Griffins
326 Med Bn (Huey’s) Eagle Dustoff
1st Bde Hdqtrs (LOH and Huey) Deadbone
2nd Bde Hdqtrs (LOH and Huey) Brandy
3rd Bde Hdqtrs (LOH and Huey) Thunder
163 Avn Co. (LOH and Huey) Roadrunner
A Co, 159th Avn Bn (Chinooks) Pachyderms
C Co., 159th Avn Bn (Chinooks) Playtex
478 Avn Co (Cranes CH-54) Hurricanes
165-HMM (Helicopters, Marine Medium (Squadron)-165)
White Knights
170th Assault Helicopter Company
Bikinis and Buccaneers
173rd Assault Helicopter Company
Robin Hoods and Crossbows
174th Assault Helicopter Company
Dolphins and Sharks
175th Aviation Company
Outlaws & Mavericks
176th Assault Helicopter Company
Minuteman/Muskets
178th Air Support Helicopter Company
The Boxcars
179th Air Support Helicopter Company
Shrimpboats & Hooks
180th Assault Support Helicopter Company
Big Windy
187th Assault Helicopter Company
Crusaders & Rat Pack
188th AHC and C/101
Black Widows and Spiders
189th Assault Helicopter Company
Ghost Riders and Avengers
190th Assault Helicopter Company
Spartans and Gladiators
191st Assault Helicopter Company
Boomerangs and Bounty Hunters
192nd Assault Helicopter Company
Polecats and Tigersharks
195th Assault Helicopter Company
Sky Chief, Ghost Riders, Sky Pilots and Thunder Chickens
196th Assault Helicopter Company
Flippers & Chargers
197th Assault Helicopter Company
Gangbusters & Playboys
199th LIB Aviation Group
Fireball Aviation
200th Assault Support Helicopter Company201st Aviation Company
PachydermsRed Barons
203rd Air Support Helicopter
Wildcats
A Company 203rd ASH
Wildcats
B Company 203rd ASH
Longhorns
C Company 203rd ASH
What more can we do?
205th Assault Helicopter Company
Geronimos
213th Assault Support Helicopter Company
Blackcats
227th Assault Helicopter Battalion 1st CAV
Pouvoir
228th Assault Support Helicopter Battalion
Guns-A-Go-Go, Winged Warrior, Long Horns, Wildcats
235th Air Support Helicopter Company
Delta Devils
237th Medical Detachment (Helicopter Ambulance)
Dustoff
238th Aerial Weapons Company –
Gunrunners
240th Assault Support Helicopter Company
Greyhounds, Maddogs and Kennel Keepers
242nd Assault Support Helicopter Company
Muleskinners
243rd Assault Support Helicopter Company
Freight Train
254th Medical Detachment (HA) DUSTOFF271st Assault Helicopter Company
“Helen Sue” Crew Chief Ronald Hannon “Donna Sue II” Crew Chief Ronald Hannon “Crystal Ship” Crew Chief Jerry Schneider (Capt. Crystal) “The Rebel” Crew Chief George Roberts “The Iron Butterfly” “Mother Goose” Crew Chief Ben Trickle “Proud Mary” “Ugly Duckling”Innkeepers & Bartenders
272nd Assault Support Helicopter Company
273rd Heavy Helicopter
Super Hook
281st Assault Helicopter Company
Intruders, Rat Pack, Bandits, Wolf Pack
282nd Assault Helicopter Company
Blackcat & Alleycats
334th Aerial Weapons Company
Sabers, Playboys, Raiders & Dragons
335th Assault Helicopter Company (A/82 in 1965)
Cowboys, Falcons and Caspers
336th Assault Helicopter Company
Warriors and T-Birds
339th Transportation Company (DS)
Always in good hands
355th Heavy Helicopter
Workhorse
361st Aerial Weapons Company
Pink Panthers
362nd Aviation Company – The Last Chinook Unit in Viet Nam
Fly United
478 Heavy Helicopter
Hurricane
498th Medical Company (Air Ambulance)
Dustoff
610th Transportation Company (AM) (GS) 1966-1972
Fast and Sure
A Company 501st Aviation Battalion
Rattlers & Firebirds
USMC VMO-3, HML-367, HMLA-367
Deadlock, Hostage, Cowpoke & The Angry Two
USMC VMO-2
Oakgate, Scarface, Eagle Claw, Cyclone
USMC VMO-6
Klondike
HMM-161
HMM-163
Evil Eyes
HMM-164
Yankee Tango
HMM-165
White Knights
HMM-167
Warriors
HMM-261
Raging Bulls
HMM-262
Old Tigers
HMM-263
The Thunder Eagles
HMM-361
Flying Tigers-
HMM-362 (first USMC helicopter unit in and out of Vietnam)
Ugly Angels
HMM-363
Lucky Red Lions
HMM-364
The Purple Foxes
HMM-365
The Magnificent Flying Circus.
HMA-369
Pistol Pete
HMH-463
Pennant Day, Dimmer, Pineapple
White Hat Airlines
Aircofat
U.S. NAVY HELICOPTER UNITS
HA(L)-3
Seawolves
Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Seven (HC-7)
Seadevils
Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron 6 (HS-6) made WESTAC deployments in 1966 and 1967-8 on the carrier USS Kearsarge and provided Combat Search and Rescue in the Gulf of Tonkin prior to the establishment of Combat Support Squadron 7 (HC-7).
Combat SAR operations
U.S. AIR FORCE HELICOPTER UNITS
Rotor heads
SOUTH VIETNAM HELICOPTER UNITS
VNAF (Viet Nam Air Force) was the air force of the Republic of South Vietnam.
Approximately 12,000 helicopters saw action in Vietnam (All services) and it’s estimated that 40,000 pilots served in the war. Those red figures in the chart below represent the combined total of all other helicopters / crews outside of the Huey category; I was unable to locate individual statistics for each line item for that group. The numbers in the destroyed column are actual numbers which are verified by tail numbers.
It should also be pointed out that 532 American passengers were killed in downed aircraft and are not included in any of the KIA totals.
KIA
KIA
Model
# Served
# Destroyed
Pilots Lost
Crew Lost
All UH-1 Huey Slicks/guns
7,013
3,305
1,074
1,103
All AH-1G Cobras
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272
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CH-21C Banana
⇑
18
⇑
⇑
CH-3 Jolly Green’s
⇑
14
⇑
⇑
CH-46 / 47 Chinook
⇑
284
⇑
⇑
CH-53 Sea Stallions
⇑
23
⇑
⇑
CH-54 Flying Crane
5000
9
1128
1601
HH-37 Heavy lift transport
⇓
2
⇓
⇓
HH-3 Jolly Green Giant
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21
⇓
⇓
HH-43 Huskie Rescue
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13
⇓
⇓
HH-53 Super Jolly Green
⇓
9
⇓
⇓
OH-13/23 Light Observation
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240
⇓
⇓
OH-6 LOH Scout
⇓
842
⇓
⇓
OH-58A Armed Scout
⇓
45
⇓
⇓
Misc Sioux / Sikorsky SH-3/34
⇓
14
⇓
⇓
Totals
12,013
5,111
2,202
2,704
It’s believed that the Huey and Cobra have more combat flight time than any other aircraft in the history of warfare assuming you count actual hostile fire exposure versus battle area exposure. As an example, heavy bombers during World War II most often flew missions lasting many hours with only 10 to 20 minutes of that time exposed to hostile fire. Helicopters in Vietnam were always exposed to hostile fire even in their base camps.
The following short video offers an animation presentation that shows crash sites during the war on a map of Southeast Asia. It’s interesting to note that only three major areas of the country show heavy concentrations in additions to the many locations in Cambodia and Laos.
The following article was published in the San Diego Union Tribune by John Wilkens on January 8, 2017 about the last pilots to die in Vietnam:
History remembers them as the last two American pilots to die in Vietnam, killed when their Marine Corps helicopter went into the South China Sea during the frantic evacuation of Saigon on April 29, 1975. Their bodies were never recovered
“I’ve thought about it every day for 41 years,” said Steve Wills, who was on the helicopter as crew chief and survived the crash. “I think it would be a healing thing for the whole nation.”
One of the aviators was Capt. William Nystul, who grew up in Coronado. The oldest of four sons, he graduated from Coronado High and San Diego State. He was 29 when he died, married with a young son. His co-pilot, 1st Lt. Michael Shea, from El Paso, Texas, was 25.
YT-14 was on search and rescue duty off the carrier Hancock that day, ready to swoop in if other helicopters crashed and the crews needed to be pulled from the water. It took off at 6 a.m. for what would turn out to be about 17 hours of flying, interrupted a half-dozen times to land on the carrier to refuel.
About 1 p.m., Nystul and Shea came on board to relieve the original pilots. Nystul, who had been teaching at a fixed-wing flight school in Pensacola, was sent back to Vietnam for his second tour after about 20 hours of re-training in the CH-46. Shea, a CH-53 pilot, had about 25 hours of training in the 46 before he was deployed.
Wills, the crew chief and right gunner, and Richard Scott, the mechanic and left gunner, were the other crew members. It was a busy day. They transported refugees from one ship to another. They rescued a Vietnamese man who crashed his small plane in the water.
“We were dodging aircraft left and right,” Wills said in a phone interview from his home in Kalispell, Mont. “The helicopter flew good that day.”
At about 11 p.m., YT-14 was running low on fuel and needed to land on the Hancock. But there wasn’t room. Nystul got waved off twice. Finally cleared to come in, he had to make a hard right turn away from the carrier to avoid being hit by a plane arriving from behind.
“Missed us by less than 100 feet,” Wills said.
He remembers the pilot telling the crew, “Somebody is going to die up here tonight.”
Into the water
Bruce Collison was a medic that night on board the Hancock. Now living in Sarasota, Fla., he recalls being on the flight deck, transfixed by the red, blinking anti-collision light of a helicopter overhead: YT-14.
“It continued circling the length of the ship, running out of fuel, looking for a place to land, losing altitude with every pass,” he said. “I’m convinced that if they had tried to land, with all the other helicopters there, some of them refueling, there would have been a total conflagration and a lot of people would have been killed. So they took it into the water instead.”
Others have surmised that the pilots got disoriented; it was a pitch-black night, no visible moon, impossible to see the horizon. The last thing Wills remembers hearing over his headset was a voice saying: “Pick it up! Pick it up! Pick it up!” Then darkness.
He regained consciousness underwater and made it to the surface. His left leg was fractured and his right hip dislocated. His helmet had been torn off. He fired two pen flares, then activated his rescue strobe. Scott was nearby and turned on his strobe, too.
On the Hancock, Collison remembers seeing the two strobes and thinking, “Great, there are survivors!” Then it dawned on him: “There should be four strobes.”
Another CH-46 lifted off the carrier, and to those on the flight deck, it looked as if it might disappear, too. Its landing lights went under water. Moments later, the engines roared and it lifted into the air and back toward the ship, carrying the engines roared and it lifted into the air and back toward the ship, carrying the two survivors.
The next day, on board the Hancock, they held a traditional burial at sea for the pilots. There were no bodies, so they put mock corpses under the American flags, and slid those into the ocean.
“We were numb like zombies,” Collison said. “We’d spent all day saving people and then we lost two Marines. Nobody wanted to be the last guy to die in Vietnam, and then it happened to two guys that we knew. The whole thing felt surreal.”
It’s part of military lore that no man is left behind, but the evacuation task force had orders to move on. Saigon had fallen to the Viet Cong.
A sobering video showing the aftereffects of helicopter crashes…many after the recovery:
I want to personally thank the 40,000 pilots and crews for being there when called. You are all held in the highest regard by us grunts and others who were in harm’s way. Thank you for your service and Welcome Back to those who made it home. Side note: Every time a Chinook or Blackhawk passes overhead from nearby Selfridge National Guard Base, I still find myself looking into the sky and watching it cross over until it’s gone…and then sometime when I’m outside, I hold my cane in both hands overhead in tribute to those magnificent men in their flying machines – and was then thankful that they didn’t land in my backyard.
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I like it, trying to find some information on my brother who served in vietnam during the late sixties. His name is Ronald Carter from Columbus, Ohio, he was in the 135th AVN Co, F Troop. (statehosp@aol.com)
Why is the 224th Avn Bn, or any of the five company not listed. I was with the 156 Avn (RR) and the Bn Hqs 67-68 time frame. Any one serving with any of those units, give me a shout.
Can anyone tell me anybody else who worked with my father john bertrand 273 aviation company he was there from 1970 -1971 I a m trying to jog his memory and im sure he’d like me to know a few names out there
if anyone remembers him or what the company did please can you email me
The 273rd was a heavy lift helicopter co. Ch54 Skycranes! We flew Support for any one that wanted heavy stuff moved 20000 Lbs. 10 Tons! We moved a lot of Artillery. I shared a Hooch with John for awhile. John worked in the Motor Pool And the hanger at Air field. Long Binh. I was a helicopter Mechanic Also Spared as a crew chief. Flew on Ch54’s. hope this helps you with john. any questions just ask. Regards Wayne Shirshac Super Hook 419
Great. I was in 227th AHB. I read somewhere It had the most losses or casualties of the war in Nam. I can’t find any info on that. Can you help? alawa2@att.net
I was a member of the 45th Medical Company Air Ambulance which was part of the 44th Medical Brigade. I don’t see either the 45th Med Co or 44th Med Bde listed regarding units and losses.
Thanks to all who served and your historical work. Do you have any info. on the history of the 17th AHC stationed at Camp Eagle? My brother served in that unit 1967-69. Thanks, James Pullen
Assault Helicopter Companies? Before there was Cav units, we were there. 173rd AHC Robin Hood’s/Crossbows set more lift records than had ever been. We more or less invented Combat Helicopter use for both slicks and guns. We performed more Med-evacuation in III Corps area in ‘66, ‘67, and ‘68 than the Med-boys did, simply because we were in the field and Med-Eva a were usually 30+ minutes away. ( no offense to those ballsey guys) it was simple logistics and focused answer to need.
During ‘68 Tet, Crossbows flew an average of 13 hours a day for 32 days straight, on call 24-7. Ask me how I know. Our Robinhood slicks set new records for moving troops in and out of tight spots, rescuing wounded from “hover-holes” in teakwood forests. Ask me how I know. An estimated 200,000 NVA were moved into III ant this time and we led the way, beating s___ out of them.
No faulting the Cav guys, wish we’d had “Blue Boys” when we got shot down, but the word in the field from 1st Infantry Boots, was, if you want things done right in the field, call the Robin Hood’s!
And in your generally historical account, we don’t even rate a unit patch?
Jim Visel CE
Robin Hood/ Crossbow
‘66,’67, ‘68.
Shot down 5 times, wounded twice.
Not sure if you’re still working this, but fwiw… I was in both 201st in 1980s and 377th Med Evac Co , you nailed the 201st callsign “Red Barons,” still used it in the 80s…. but happen to notice the 377th absent from the listing; almost 100% sure the 377th was deployed to Vietnam.
Kudos on a great site and thanks for all the hard work!
I served as Crew chief for Major General George W Putnam jr. First Cavalry Battalion Commander. We had 8 helicopters and 16 crew members. I flew over 600 hours of CA time on 153 missions. Our specialty was inserting LRRPS. We were HHT 1/9. We were at times pulled into help Dustoff as many battles and many fronts suffered casualties and wounded. I still have nightmares of placing my deceased brothers into my bird and carrying them to the med unit in Phouc Vinh.
It would be nice to be listed amongst the troops of helicopter units. SGT Gagnon 1/9 HHT Flight Platoon leader.
Sorry, I do not. I was stationedat Quang Tri, with 1/5 Inf Bde Avn Section from June 1970 thru April 1971. During Lam Som 719 I was at the Red Devil Forward location working in the TOC Bde Avn Sec. My contact to other Avn units was next to nil.
From my August 20, 2017 comment: “I served as a trauma surgeon at the 85th Evac in Phu Bai.
We rededicated (originally dedicated in 1984) our local Vietnam Veterans Memorial to the 37 KIAs from our tri-county area in upstate NY in Sept. 2016. Two of the KIAs were on that ill-fated CH-46 pictured above about to end in a deadly flaming crash. It was Helicopter Alley, Quang Ngai Provence, 7/15/66.
Crew Chief Sgt. Robert R. Telfer, USMC, Fonda, NY
Cpl. Orson H. Case. USMC, Johnstown, NY”
For this and every Memorial Day: Thirty-seven young men (primarily kids) were killed in the Vietnam War from Fulton, Montgomery, and Hamilton Counties in Upstate New York. In 1984 the Vietnam Veterans of America Chapter 91, lead by Greg Fassett, Gary Stoller, and Gus Kappler, solicited funds to erect and dedicate a memorial to these KIAs. Fulton Montgomery Community College granted permission to locate it on their campus. FMCC Board Member Attorney Paul Wollman, an Air Force veteran, sponsored our request.
The Memorial is located next to the 911 Memorial. Our Vietnam Memorial was rededicated in September 2016 when the “Traveling Wall” visited FMCC, and the 911 Memorial was dedicated. The daughters of Sergeant Telfer (KIA), Nancy, Joy, Dawn, and Bobbi, worked with Gary Stoller, Gus Kappler, and FMCC representatives to bring the event to fruition.
Gus: Were you at the 85th in early Oct of 68? I passed through there about that time and wonder if you worked on me. It’s a long time ago but was wondering.
Where the Hell Is the U.T.T.—-1963 ????
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C/229th 1st Cav. North Flaag
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HMM-164 was first ’46 sqd in RVN in 1966. Unit went over on helicopter carrier from Long Beach, CA.
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I like it, trying to find some information on my brother who served in vietnam during the late sixties. His name is Ronald Carter from Columbus, Ohio, he was in the 135th AVN Co, F Troop. (statehosp@aol.com)
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Try searching Facebook groups to see if one is available for your brother’s unit. Somebody there may have known him.
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D Troop (Air), 1/10 Cavalry was the air cav troop organic to the 4 ID and not an independent unit.
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Recalled some bad and good memories.
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Why is the 224th Avn Bn, or any of the five company not listed. I was with the 156 Avn (RR) and the Bn Hqs 67-68 time frame. Any one serving with any of those units, give me a shout.
JB Polson
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JB, if you have a copy of the patch for the unit(s), please ID them and respond to my email john.podlaski@gmail.com
and I’ll add them to the post. Thanks!
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hi there.
Can anyone tell me anybody else who worked with my father john bertrand 273 aviation company he was there from 1970 -1971 I a m trying to jog his memory and im sure he’d like me to know a few names out there
if anyone remembers him or what the company did please can you email me
battyflower@gmail.com
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The 273rd was a heavy lift helicopter co. Ch54 Skycranes! We flew Support for any one that wanted heavy stuff moved 20000 Lbs. 10 Tons! We moved a lot of Artillery. I shared a Hooch with John for awhile. John worked in the Motor Pool And the hanger at Air field. Long Binh. I was a helicopter Mechanic Also Spared as a crew chief. Flew on Ch54’s. hope this helps you with john. any questions just ask. Regards Wayne Shirshac Super Hook 419
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t@Wayne .thank you for your time to get back to me what you wrote was very interesting .I was wondering if you could email me battyflower@gmail.com
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You left out the 571st Medical Detachment (DustOff). We flew out of Danang and Hue. I left with the last of the unit out of Vietnam 28 Feb. 1973.
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Great article! The 213 AVN Co Black Cats a CH-47 Unit at Phu Loi. In 72 stood down part went to 120 AVN Co The Deans a Combine unit of different ACFT.
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Great. I was in 227th AHB. I read somewhere It had the most losses or casualties of the war in Nam. I can’t find any info on that. Can you help? alawa2@att.net
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I was a member of the 45th Medical Company Air Ambulance which was part of the 44th Medical Brigade. I don’t see either the 45th Med Co or 44th Med Bde listed regarding units and losses.
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Thanks to all who served and your historical work. Do you have any info. on the history of the 17th AHC stationed at Camp Eagle? My brother served in that unit 1967-69. Thanks, James Pullen
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I don’t, but you may want to visit this FB group page: (12) 17th Airborne Division Family and Friends | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/145058802186754
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Assault Helicopter Companies? Before there was Cav units, we were there. 173rd AHC Robin Hood’s/Crossbows set more lift records than had ever been. We more or less invented Combat Helicopter use for both slicks and guns. We performed more Med-evacuation in III Corps area in ‘66, ‘67, and ‘68 than the Med-boys did, simply because we were in the field and Med-Eva a were usually 30+ minutes away. ( no offense to those ballsey guys) it was simple logistics and focused answer to need.
During ‘68 Tet, Crossbows flew an average of 13 hours a day for 32 days straight, on call 24-7. Ask me how I know. Our Robinhood slicks set new records for moving troops in and out of tight spots, rescuing wounded from “hover-holes” in teakwood forests. Ask me how I know. An estimated 200,000 NVA were moved into III ant this time and we led the way, beating s___ out of them.
No faulting the Cav guys, wish we’d had “Blue Boys” when we got shot down, but the word in the field from 1st Infantry Boots, was, if you want things done right in the field, call the Robin Hood’s!
And in your generally historical account, we don’t even rate a unit patch?
Jim Visel CE
Robin Hood/ Crossbow
‘66,’67, ‘68.
Shot down 5 times, wounded twice.
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You’re missing 571st Med Det. Dustoff.
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I put in a lot of North Flag CAs as the brigade C&C bird. You are right a fine unit…
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Please add C/229th AHB 1st Air Cav. Many fine men survived in the unit over the course of the Viet Nam war
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ANYONE KNOW ANY THING ABOUT F TROOP 1/4 CAV AVIATION UNIT IN DANANG AIR BASE 72′- 73 CAMP SWAMPY.
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Why there’s not much about Darkhorse c/16 co.?Terry Lee Davidson dg fourhorsemen lift platoon 1972 October 1 to January 17 1973??
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Great site, excellent research.
Not sure if you’re still working this, but fwiw… I was in both 201st in 1980s and 377th Med Evac Co , you nailed the 201st callsign “Red Barons,” still used it in the 80s…. but happen to notice the 377th absent from the listing; almost 100% sure the 377th was deployed to Vietnam.
Kudos on a great site and thanks for all the hard work!
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I served as Crew chief for Major General George W Putnam jr. First Cavalry Battalion Commander. We had 8 helicopters and 16 crew members. I flew over 600 hours of CA time on 153 missions. Our specialty was inserting LRRPS. We were HHT 1/9. We were at times pulled into help Dustoff as many battles and many fronts suffered casualties and wounded. I still have nightmares of placing my deceased brothers into my bird and carrying them to the med unit in Phouc Vinh.
It would be nice to be listed amongst the troops of helicopter units. SGT Gagnon 1/9 HHT Flight Platoon leader.
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George Gagnon, I’d be glad to add the unit to the list, but don’t have a clue where to do so. Help me out and I’ll get it posted.
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Great article. For pictures of the 1st Bde, 5th Inf Div (Batman) logo, please go to our Facebook link https://www.facebook.com/groups/211983242724999/
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Do you know anyone who served with the A Company of 158th AHB during 69-72? I have a pilot who has cancer with a VA claim.
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Sorry, I do not. I was stationedat Quang Tri, with 1/5 Inf Bde Avn Section from June 1970 thru April 1971. During Lam Som 719 I was at the Red Devil Forward location working in the TOC Bde Avn Sec. My contact to other Avn units was next to nil.
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AMERICAL DIVISION Southern Cross Hq. Hq. Co. 123rd Aviation Battalion, 23rd Inf. Div. (Griffin). If you wish I can send you a photo of our unit patch.
BTW Loved the article.
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Great Job Posting all these Units
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From my August 20, 2017 comment: “I served as a trauma surgeon at the 85th Evac in Phu Bai.
We rededicated (originally dedicated in 1984) our local Vietnam Veterans Memorial to the 37 KIAs from our tri-county area in upstate NY in Sept. 2016. Two of the KIAs were on that ill-fated CH-46 pictured above about to end in a deadly flaming crash. It was Helicopter Alley, Quang Ngai Provence, 7/15/66.
Crew Chief Sgt. Robert R. Telfer, USMC, Fonda, NY
Cpl. Orson H. Case. USMC, Johnstown, NY”
For this and every Memorial Day: Thirty-seven young men (primarily kids) were killed in the Vietnam War from Fulton, Montgomery, and Hamilton Counties in Upstate New York. In 1984 the Vietnam Veterans of America Chapter 91, lead by Greg Fassett, Gary Stoller, and Gus Kappler, solicited funds to erect and dedicate a memorial to these KIAs. Fulton Montgomery Community College granted permission to locate it on their campus. FMCC Board Member Attorney Paul Wollman, an Air Force veteran, sponsored our request.
The Memorial is located next to the 911 Memorial. Our Vietnam Memorial was rededicated in September 2016 when the “Traveling Wall” visited FMCC, and the 911 Memorial was dedicated. The daughters of Sergeant Telfer (KIA), Nancy, Joy, Dawn, and Bobbi, worked with Gary Stoller, Gus Kappler, and FMCC representatives to bring the event to fruition.
Please watch: https://youtu.be/_4pBmqQ5VKw
Visit: http://www.guskappler.com
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Gus: Were you at the 85th in early Oct of 68? I passed through there about that time and wonder if you worked on me. It’s a long time ago but was wondering.
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That was before I was there. Glad you made it home
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